My son has joined islam

[The Neo Nerd]

Would you know if he gets up before sunrise ? I would set an alarm. I would also talk to Imam with your son. Talk about your concerns in a very polite way. Help your son to follow the rules of Islam. Also the Imam might be of some help with your sons bad behavior. Be both gentle and polite at all times with both the Imam and your son in this meeting. If your son is rebelling this will take all the wind out of his sails. If he has found Islam you can't stop it so just be a good dad.

I like this idea best.

It looks like your son is following the girls into whatever religion they are in.

It could also be that hes just doing to rebel.

He could also be doing from genuine interest in being a muslim.

If he's rebelling then you will most likely turn him away from it.

If it's one of the other two you have shown support and respect for your sons beliefs.

Either way you win.

-Q

 

[Shredmeister]

Somehow I don't find these sources to be reliable. I think Shredmeister wants his son to have an educated idea, there is no need to use these kind of scarecrows.

This is certainly the side of the story the Imam isn't sharing.

I was told by our muslim friend on here to look at both sides.

One side sugarcoats, the other goes overboard. I'm looking at every shred of info I can get my hands on.

 

[Ordeet]

My son goes to an actual mosque, not a website. He developed a crush on a muslim girl and next thing you know he converts to islam.

Hmm... Ask him what he thinks of Islam in six months after he breaks up with the girl and he has a bunch of angry bearded men with guns and knives yelling "Allahu Akbar" and chasing him for "apostasy".

 

[McBell]

Hmm... Ask him what he thinks of Islam in six months after he breaks up with the girl and he has a bunch of angry bearded men with guns and knives yelling "Allahu Akbar" and chasing him for "apostasy".

You really do wear your bias right out there on your sleeve, don't you?

 

[Muslim93]

This is certainly the side of the story the Imam isn't sharing.

I was told by our muslim friend on here to look at both sides.

One side sugarcoats, the other goes overboard. I'm looking at every shred of info I can get my hands on.

Then you can simply go and read the Qura'an for yourself.

Quran Recitation and Translation Online in Arabic, English, and Urdu

This site translates the qura'an.

 

[Shredmeister]

Hmm... Ask him what he thinks of Islam in six months after he breaks up with the girl and he has a bunch of angry bearded men with guns and knives yelling "Allahu Akbar" and chasing him for "apostasy".

:biglaugh:

 

[Shredmeister]

Then you can simply go and read the Qura'an for yourself.

Quran Recitation and Translation Online in Arabic, English, and Urdu

This site translates the qura'an.

Muhammad's wife was 9. Gross. My daughter is 8.

That is just plain wrong, and you know it. Dude was 53.

 

[Ordeet]

You really do wear your bias right out there on your sleeve, don't you?

Video of Stoning to Death - Islam in action

http://www.iheu.org/node/1540

Muslims kill converts to Christianity: BBC NEWS | Europe | Ten arrested over Turkey murders

 

[McBell]

Video of Stoning to Death - Islam in action

http://www.iheu.org/node/1540

Muslims kill converts to Christianity: BBC NEWS | Europe | Ten arrested over Turkey murders

Thank you for further proving my point.

The fact is that there is no way for Shredmeister to know which of the Muslim groups his son is getting in with unless he goes to the Mosque in question and finds out.

Of course, if he goes in there spouting the nonsense you post and link to it will be more counter productive than helpful.

 

[Tathagata]

I have been researching islam from all sides. Much of what I have learned is disturbing. Like the 9 year old wife, Aisha, situation. Muhammad was in his 50s. Gross. He was also murderous. He tortured. If people did not convert to islam allegedly muhammad's interpretation of allah's wishes was to kill those people.

Double standard. You shouldn't criticize Islam for being violent when the Bible contains (literally) twice as many violent passages than Quran.

I.e.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica] (Hosea 13:16)[/FONT]

"Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


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[Sunstone]

Let's just hope your son doesn't get a crush on a Fred Phelps girl.

 

[McBell]

Let's just hope your son doesn't get a crush on a Fred Phelps girl.

well at least then it will be Christianity.
Seems that is the most important thing....

 

[Shredmeister]

Double standard. You aren't allowed to criticize Islam for being violent when the Bible contains twice as many violent passages than Quran.

I.e.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica] (Hosea 13:16)[/FONT]

"Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


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Islam includes the books of Moses(Torah) in their teachings. So they share the Old Testament.

The New Testament is more equivalent to the Quuran.

I am also not raising a child in the seventh century. I am concerned with what is happening now.

 

[Shredmeister]

well at least then it will be Christianity.
Seems that is the most important thing....

I already dissed the Westboro Baptist folks. Play nice.

 

[Badran]

This situation sounds quite serious. Normally I wouldn't say this, but you need to crack down on your son. One of my uncles did the same thing when a cousin tried to convert to Roman Catholicism. For example if he plans to fast during Ramadan say that he must eat with the family or he doesn't eat at all. It's your house you set the rules. But after all this is America and people do have the right to choose what religion.

The thing is that we should make it convenient for them not to choose to hold extremist beleifs. Allowing freedom for anyone to be "Muslim" but using knowledge and information to severely condemn their beliefs. We must MAKE extremism socially unacceptable, as people fear rejection and want acception.

If he's getting his information on the Internet, there are a few sites for you and him to check out together:

Main Page - WikiIslam , Jihad Watch and Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

are good places to start.

Also I recommend some of Wafa Sultan's videos. Wafa Sultan is a psychiatrist who as analyzed the Quran and come to some pretty profound conclusions. You can see her videos on youtube.

As for the jihad-deniers here, don't mind them too much. It is a part of taqiyya to lie about the negative aspects of religion.

Best of luck to you.

This is the funniest post i've read since i joined here. You've basically posted all the enemies of Islam as reliable sources to get information about Islam, and didn't even have the integrity to say as much.

So, basically what you suggest in the second paragraph is that one way or the other we shouldn't allow people to become muslims, correct?

 

[Ordeet]

This is the funniest post i've read since i joined here. You've basically posted all the enemies of Islam as reliable sources to get information about Islam, and didn't even have the integrity to say as much.

So, basically what you suggest in the second paragraph is that one way or the other we shouldn't allow people to become muslims, correct?

Looks like you missed the part where I said:

...But after all this is America and people do have the right to choose what religion...

...Allowing freedom for anyone to be "Muslim" ...

 

[McBell]

I already dissed the Westboro Baptist folks. Play nice.

Merely calling it how I see it.

Of course I have had several years of my daughter going to a Mosque.
So I got over the initial shock long ago.

 

[The Khan]

Although I'm a Baha'i, I come an Islamic background. My family is Wahaabi, which is the fundamentalist version of Islam we're all acquainted with.

My understanding is that your son is seeking a spiritual change in his perception of the world. As he has decided to look towards a different direction than what he was born up with, it would probably be futile to impose any view by a negative approach. It is also my understanding that you wish for him to refrain from a violent or anti-social path rather than imposing religious dogma.

I must clearly note, that most people, including most Muslims, have the wrong perception on Islam. They associate it with violence (in the west), meaningless interpretations of rituals, never ending theological disputes, and narrow-minded behaviour. Most people are unaware that Islam is about building a moral and upright character following a 'straight path of moderation'.

Have you considered encouraging him to look into the spiritual & loving realms of Islam, such as Sufism? It's more philosophical and deals with mysticism rather than a fundamentalist uproach.

There's a great book called "The Alchemy of Happiness" by Persian Sufi philosopher Abu Hamid al-Ghazali. It's short, simple, and free to read on wikisource dot org.

 

[McBell]

Looks like you missed the part where I said:

Gee, you think it might be because it is not in the quoted post he replied to?

 

[Badran]

Looks like you missed the part where I said:

Yeah but you said that we should make it socially unacceptable. Merely another way of attempting to get the same results, since the law guarantees everyone freedom of religion. And all of this is based on your impression of Islam, don't you think people should not be harassed because of their religious beliefs?