Mysterious species buried their dead and carved symbols 100,000 years before humans

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Which goes back to the question of energy. Spirit- energy.

Perhaps it does so for you. For me it speaks more about the human capacity to imagine what isn't there, as explanation for what is.

It is an interesting thing, that you could learn about if you did some reading in neuroscience (Michael S. Gazzaniga's Who's In Charge? is an excellent place to start). There, you would find that there is a portion of the left brain called "the Interpreter," whose job it is to continually weave stories that help make what the whole brain has observed, including about itself, make some sort of sense. And those stories are very often complete inventions, if that's all the Interpreter can come up with.

 

[SDavis]

I happened across an article on Homo naledi this afternoon. This is a species that whose fossilized remains were first reported from South Africa in 2015.

The evidence indicates this species buried its dead and carved symbols on cave walls. This evidence for burial predates any known for modern H. sapiens.

Attached is a link to the CNN article from today and I've added a couple of other technical reports for those interested in learning more about this species and the evolution of humans.

The second link is to the original report of the discovery of the species.

The third link is to a paper presenting the evidence for the dating of the fossil remains and the methods used to support the dating. This may be of some interest to those that don't understand how scientists date these fossils.

The final link discusses examination of a skull of H. naledi.

I recall reading the popular articles from 2015/2016 and this one from CNN and have not read any of the technical discussions beyond the abstracts.

Continuing the accumulation of evidence supporting evolution and evolution in humans.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/05/world/homo-naledi-burials-carvings-scn/index.html

https://elifesciences.org/articles/09560.pdf

https://elifesciences.org/articles/24231.pdf

Cousins - derived from the same ancestor _ likely the homo habilis _ maybe even further back.
So far it seems denisovans, Neanderthals, homo erectus, sapiens, all other discovered humanoid species, all have a common ancestor

Humans Evolved From A Common Ancestor That Appeared 6 Million Years Ago

Throughout our evolution timeline, we coexisted with several early human species and descended from a common ancestor 6 million years ago.

www.discovermagazine.com

It would seem, in layman's terms, we all go back to a certain male and female of the hominoid species - a few million years ago. I single it out to one male one female _ when there would be those who would say there were a group of males and females.

 

[The Hammer]

It would seem, in layman's terms, we all go back to a certain male and female of the hominoid species - a few million years ago. I single it out to one male one female _ when there would be those who would say there were a group of males and females.

The male and female most recent common ancestor we can genetically trace our lineages to, didn't even know each other, as they lived a few hundred thousand years apart.

 

[SDavis]

The male and female most recent common ancestor we can genetically trace our lineages to, didn't even know each other, as they lived a few hundred thousand years apart.

Not according to anything I've read. They can't even find enough complete fossils. Though Lucy of Ethiopia was a few million years ago, there had to be females before her - which has not been discovered or determined and from all I have read they cannot even begin to compute that type of information.

 

[The Hammer]

Not according to anything I've read

"These groups are the closest to the “mitochondrial Eve.” This Eve is estimated to have lived between 100,000 and 230,000 years ago. We can only track the Y-haplogroup A back to around 60,000 years ago. This is the closest we can get to “Y-chromosome Adam.”

Do the Y-Chromosome Adam and the Mitochondrial Eve prove that the Bible is true?

Answer (1 of 29): Carlito, I've read some of your comments on other answers. > I'm simply working out the history of mankind. So far with the universal god and universal language, apostolic succession, and all the aforementioned scientific things it is all logical. Simple people are becoming m...

www.quora.com

 

[The Hammer]

Not according to anything I've read. They can't even find enough complete fossils. Though Lucy of Ethiopia was a few million years ago, there had to be females before her - which has not been discovered or determined and from all I have read they cannot even begin to compute that type of information.

We don't need complete fossils to determine genetic lineages and extant connections.

Also there is plenty of fossil evidence showing our species (and the others), evolutionary lineage.

Not sure what your talking about "computing"??

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't start out asking because of anything personal although I have been called ignorant and such things. No one has really answered questions in a way as if they understand what scientists said. When I quote a scientist that objects to the theory as told of evolution some here jump in to assault the scientist. I am not what some have called me (a science denier) but I thank you all for your answers because it has shown me many things. I am also not a Bible "literalist" as others have said. So thanks I truly have learned a lot.

I have never seen you quote an appropriate scientist when it comes to evolution. To have any credibility when it comes to the sciences one has to at least work in the field and have published his work in a well respected peer reviewed journal. People that do not meet that reasonable qualification have no more authority than anyone here. To be a "scientist" one has to do work in the field being discussed. People that complain but do no work are almost always just naysayers.

 

[YoursTrue]

Perhaps it does so for you. For me it speaks more about the human capacity to imagine what isn't there, as explanation for what is.

It is an interesting thing, that you could learn about if you did some reading in neuroscience (Michael S. Gazzaniga's Who's In Charge? is an excellent place to start). There, you would find that there is a portion of the left brain called "the Interpreter," whose job it is to continually weave stories that help make what the whole brain has observed, including about itself, make some sort of sense. And those stories are very often complete inventions, if that's all the Interpreter can come up with.

That's ok for you if you do not equate life with energy and spirit. Have a good one.

 

[YoursTrue]

The male and female most recent common ancestor we can genetically trace our lineages to, didn't even know each other, as they lived a few hundred thousand years apart.

Lol I'm sorry to laugh like you know that they lived a few hundred thousand years apart...lol...

 

[YoursTrue]

I know where you are going with this, but of what value is it for someone to ignore what the light shines on in favor of something that was only told to them is in the light and to ignore what they do see?

Edit: I think I know where you are going with this. I don't really know until you tell me something.

All of that is ok about what the light shines on, but I'll just imagine that someone might think they can duplicate the mechanics in the universe to put light out, etc. That is if mankind lives long enough or maybe aliens will do it!! I used to work for publishing houses, read manuscripts of sci Fi writers. Have a good one!!

 

[The Hammer]

Lol I'm sorry to laugh like you know that they lived a few hundred thousand years apart...lol...

Yeah. We do know.

You can laugh, but that only shows your own lack of understanding.



Edit: My other post on this topic links to a discussion on how we know these things.

If you want to remain in the Dark please do, that's your decision to remain that way. Just remember that science does not invalidate your conceptions of "God".

 

[SDavis]

"These groups are the closest to the “mitochondrial Eve.” This Eve is estimated to have lived between 100,000 and 230,000 years ago. We can only track the Y-haplogroup A back to around 60,000 years ago. This is the closest we can get to “Y-chromosome Adam.”

Do the Y-Chromosome Adam and the Mitochondrial Eve prove that the Bible is true?

Answer (1 of 29): Carlito, I've read some of your comments on other answers. > I'm simply working out the history of mankind. So far with the universal god and universal language, apostolic succession, and all the aforementioned scientific things it is all logical. Simple people are becoming m...

www.quora.com

The fossil Lucy of Ethiopia supposedly is 3 million years old..... My studies very greatly from yours

Australopithecus afarensis, Lucy's species

Thanks to an extraordinary fossil called Lucy, Australopithecus afarensis is one of the best-known early human relatives.

www.nhm.ac.uk

 

[SDavis]

We don't need complete fossils to determine genetic lineages and extant connections.

Also there is plenty of fossil evidence showing our species (and the others), evolutionary lineage.

Not sure what your talking about "computing"??

Didn't say you needed complete fossils to determine genetic lineages my statement was concerning whether the fossil was male or female.

 

[The Hammer]

The fossil Lucy of Ethiopia supposedly is 3 million years old..... My studies very greatly from yours

Australopithecus afarensis, Lucy's species

Thanks to an extraordinary fossil called Lucy, Australopithecus afarensis is one of the best-known early human relatives.

www.nhm.ac.uk

Your studies.probably do vary. I am an Anthropologist/Archaeologist/Mythologist by schooling and trade.

The fossils of Lucy are old for sure.

But we can't trace all mitochondrial DNA to Lucy (that's never been a goal, what's the point?).

That's why we have a Mitochondrial Eve. Mitochondrial DNA is only passed from Mom to children, allowing us to only trace one half of the family. Same thing with Y chromosomal Adam, it's from Dad to children.

Also, Lucy is not a Homo species. Therefore not considered 'human', yet.

 

[The Hammer]

Didn't say you needed complete fossils to determine genetic lineages my statement was concerning whether the fossil was male or female.

Right.

Complete fossils do nothing in this specific regard.

It's all down to how well genetic tissues were preserved.

Edit: And I could tell what gender you we're (biologically), off of genetics alone no full bones needed.

 

[SDavis]

Your studies.probably do vary. I am an Anthropologist/Archaeologist/Mythologist by schooling and trade.

The fossils of Lucy are old for sure.

But we can't trace all mitochondrial DNA to Lucy (that's never been a goal, what's the point?).

That's why we have a Mitochondrial Eve. Mitochondrial DNA is only passed from Mom to children, allowing us to only trace one half of the family. Same thing with Y chromosomal Adam, it's from Dad to children.

Also, Lucy is not a Homo species. Therefore not considered 'human', yet.

I didn't say she was Lucy was a homo species I said she was an ancestor the humanoid humanoid species. And from what my studies showed all humans Trace back to her, even had commercials about it years ago.
I never mentioned Adam, no studies has stated they have found a possible Adam.

 

[SDavis]

Right.

Complete fossils do nothing in this specific regard.

It's all down to how well genetic tissues were preserved.

Edit: And I could tell what gender you we're (biologically), off of genetics alone no full bones needed.

Good for you,
with some of the oldest fossil fragments I always read it is believed to be. The only thing that they have said definitely on fossils millions of years old is whether it was a child or an adult. That's from what I've read.

 

[ChristineM]

Lol I'm sorry to laugh like you know that they lived a few hundred thousand years apart...lol...

Genetic/DNA evidence does not lie. There is no doubt the children of mitochondrial Eve were born of 5 different fathers about 150000 years ago give or take a few % error margin
Y chromosome adam lived at least 130,000 years before that

 

[Zwing]

I want no weeping over my dead body and no ceremonies after my death, that suits an atheist advaitist Hindu.

I will yet weep; not for your sake, but for mine…

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

That's ok for you if you do not equate life with energy and spirit. Have a good one.

As with all things, there are ways to accurately describe things, and then there are the many ways in which we humans can fancy things.

Life can be defined as a complex, self-sustaining system characterized by various properties and processes that distinguish it from inanimate matter. While there isn't a universally agreed-upon definition, life typically exhibits the following key characteristics:

1. Organization: Living systems are organized in a hierarchical manner, ranging from molecules and cells to organisms and ecosystems. They possess a level of internal structure and organization that allows them to carry out specific functions.
2. Reproduction: Life has the ability to reproduce, either sexually or asexually, passing on genetic information to subsequent generations. This process ensures the continuity of life and the preservation of genetic traits.
3. Growth and Development: Living organisms can grow and undergo changes in form and function over time. They follow a predetermined pattern of development, which is influenced by genetic information and environmental factors.
4. Response to Stimuli: Life displays the capacity to respond to external stimuli from the environment. Organisms can detect and react to changes in their surroundings, maintaining homeostasis and adjusting their behavior accordingly.
5. Metabolism: Living systems engage in metabolic processes, such as acquiring and utilizing energy and nutrients, as well as excreting waste products. These processes are essential for the maintenance of life and the sustenance of vital functions.
6. Evolution: Life evolves over time through the mechanism of natural selection. Genetic variations arise through mutations, and the ones that confer advantageous traits are more likely to be passed on to future generations. This leads to the diversification and adaptation of species over generations.

Notice that life makes use of energy, but is not equated in any way with it. And also notice that there is no mention of "spirit" in all that. You many imagine as much "spirit" as you want in a blade of grass, but I know only that it lives -- until it dies.