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Myth: People are Fleeing California

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
California is a great state. I was born here, and I'll die here.
It really is. For the most part, those I hear who hate and want to leave are those who are strongly Republican and Conservative. They also tend to not realize how much you actually get for your tax money here. In Indiana what you get for your taxes are roads that start cracking before they're a year old and damage your car because of the poor condition of the roads.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The "myth" endures.
California Population Loss Accelerated During Pandemic
Excerpted....
California is losing more than twice as many people to domestic migration as it was before the pandemic, a new report from University of California researchers shows.

The research released Wednesday shows the change is largely being driven by a drop in the number of people moving to California from other parts of the U.S. and is most acute in the high-cost San Francisco Bay Area.

The researchers examined anonymized credit bureau data and found that the downward trend in net domestic migration has been accelerated by a 38% decrease in the number of new arrivals between March 2020 and September of this year. The number of new arrivals declined in all of the state’s 58 counties.

“Entrances have been really stable over time, but they did dip pretty substantially since the pandemic,” said Natalie Holmes, a UC Berkeley doctoral student and one of the authors of the report from the nonpartisan California Policy Lab.

Meanwhile, the number of Californians leaving has increased by 12%, a return to pre-pandemic trends. In total, 150,000 more people on average left California than entered in the third quarter of 2021, compared with 60,000 net exits in the first three months of 2020. The actual volume of the flows is likely even bigger, Ms. Holmes said, since the analysis relies on credit data and is less representative of younger and lower-income residents.

The report didn’t explore why fewer people are coming to the state than before. Previous research has suggested housing costs and affordability are key factors. Many Americans re-evaluated where to live during the pandemic as businesses closed and larger numbers of people were able to work remotely.

An analysis published in May by the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California showed that people who move to California tend to have higher incomes and higher education levels than those who move out.

California has been losing more people to other states than it gains for years, census data and state estimates show. Last year, its population decreased for the first time in recorded history. In another first, California will lose a congressional seat in the once-a-decade redistricting process now under way.

The shift is especially large in and around San Francisco. The number of new arrivals to the Bay Area plummeted 45% between March 2020 and September 2021, while exits increased by 21%.

Between 2016 and the first quarter of 2020, the three Bay Area counties of San Francisco, San Mateo and Santa Clara were the only ones statewide to see more people move in from other states than leave. But that trend reversed during the pandemic, with all three losing population through domestic migration.

The median sale price for existing single-family homes in the Bay Area was $1,275,000 in October according to data from the California Association of Realtors, one of the highest in the nation.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Why do conservatives actually care about this?

Because they live to hate California, the embodiment of everything they rail against. Unfortunately for them, California has a booming and innovative economy, a beautiful coastline, Yosemite, Sequoias, the 5th. largest GDP in the world, is the nation's breadbasket, and invites in people from all over the world to visit and to live.

They point to the bad things here that are bad things everywhere, even in their own backyard. Poverty, crime, homelessness, racism, exploitation. We are not immune to those things, but we're realistic enough to acknowledge all the reasons they exist.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Because they live to hate California, the embodiment of everything they rail against. Unfortunately for them, California has a booming economy, a beautiful coastline, the 5th. largest GDP in the world, is the nation's breadbasket, and invites in people from all over the world to visit and to live.

They point to the things here that are everywhere, even in their own backyard. Poverty, crime, homelessness, racism, exploitation. We are not immune to those things, but we're realistic enough to acknowledge all the reasons they exist.
Liberals hate the south.
Conservatives hate Californiastan.
Foreigners hate every every state.
But everyone loves Revoltistan.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Liberals hate the south.
Conservatives hate Californiastan.
Informed people can find something to hate in every state.

I already know conservatives hate California. They also like to bastardize the names of things.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Because they live to hate California, the embodiment of everything they rail against. Unfortunately for them, California has a booming and innovative economy, a beautiful coastline, Yosemite, Sequoias, the 5th. largest GDP in the world, is the nation's breadbasket, and invites in people from all over the world to visit and to live.

They point to the bad things here that are bad things everywhere, even in their own backyard. Poverty, crime, homelessness, racism, exploitation. We are not immune to those things, but we're realistic enough to acknowledge all the reasons they exist.
Ah, so it's conservative identity politics. Makes sense.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I already know conservatives hate California. They also like to bastardize the names of things.
Don't like my suffixes?
I'm not conservative.
I forgive you cuz you're a newbie.
(BTW, I lived in Californiastan.
Revoltistan is way better.)
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Don't like my suffixes?
I'm not conservative.
I forgive you cuz you're a newbie.
(BTW, I lived in Californiastan.
Revoltistan is way better.)

I don't know what you are besides eternally disgruntled :rolleyes: but your epithet for California is borrowed from the conservatives. Not sure if you know that.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't know what you are besides eternally disgruntled :rolleyes: but your epithet for California is borrowed from the conservatives. Not sure if you know that.
It's not an epithet.
I add the suffix to many states & countries when it sounds good, eg, Canuckistan.
My own state is Michiganistan.
That's where Revoltitstan is located (landlocked).

So your presumption of dissing CA this way is wrong.
Have some fun!
My main purpose of highlighting Californiastan's troubles
is to irk @Shadow Wolf & @sun rise. It works well.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
It's not an epithet.

It is.

An epithet can be, but isn't always pejorative. Conservatives definitely use it as a pejorative. You may not use it the same way, but you're using the same word.

1 a: a characterizing word or phrase accompanying or occurring in place of the name of a person or thing
b: a disparaging or abusive word or phrase
c: the part of a taxonomic name identifying a subordinate unit within a genus

I add the suffix to many states & countries when it sounds good, eg, Canuckistan.
My own state is Michiganistan.
That's where Revoltitstan is located (landlocked).

So your presumption of dissing CA this way is wrong.
Have some fun!

Whether or not it sounds good is definitely subjective, but have fun yourself!
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We'll have to agree to disagree.
And you'll have to get used to it.

Californiastan is interesting to watch
- Dealing with crime.
- Dealing with immigration.
- Property costs.
- Property tax structure.
- Regulation.
- Celebrities.
- Disasters, eg, fires, droughts, quakes.

It's much more interesting than so many other states, especially Michiganistan.
I prefer our boring situation here.
Although we did have a plot to kidnap the governor.
(It failed.)
 
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anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
With less than 10,000 posts, you're only getting started.
You've only a hint of the horrors inside me noggin!

Or at how much you add in edit! There's so much more to that post I just responded to than there was when I started the reply! (NB I'm guilty of same)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Or at how much you add in edit! There's so much more to that post I just responded to than there was when I started the reply! (NB I'm guilty of same)
I am the reigning king of continual edits.
Things need to be just so.
But they never start out right.
They have the added pleasure of annoying others.
BTW, that last sentence was an edit. <---- An edit.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
I am the reigning king of continual edits.
Things need to be just so.
But they never start out right.
They have the added pleasure of annoying others.
BTW, that last sentence was an edit. <---- An edit.

There must be a psychological component to not previewing one's comments except in retrospect.

Which is, of course, an edit.
 
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