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[Stevicus]

Tap dancing around my questions, eh.

Silly questions, but I don't tap dance. I do the hustle.

 

[Revoltingest]

Silly questions.

Yet you can't answer simple questions.

 

[Stevicus]

Yet you can't answer simple questions.

It's not that I can't; I just don't need to.

 

[fantome profane]

It appears that you argue it's better that
they be unemployed, & fully on the dole,
rather than working & receiving assistance.
That's bad public policy.

I prefer that corporations that benefit from the labour pay for the labour. Corporations like Walmart for example can make record profits while their full time employees need food stamps. This is essentially subsidizing billionaires so they can make more profit. No reasonable person could suggest that corporations like this cannot afford to pay its employees.


Using welfare so corporations don’t need to pay a living wage is not good policy.

 

[Kfox]

Yes, it was a horrific atrocity and recognized as a crime against humanity. But some slaves did manage to escape or otherwise gain their freedom.

Those who escaped successfully were usually done with the help of others; like Quakers, or those involved with the Underground Railroad.

One didn't have to be a slave to suffer torture and mistreatment.

True, but that’s a different conversation

Some of the child laborers in the factories suffered endless beatings and were forced to work late into the night. They weren't slaves, at least not according to the law.

Were those beatings and forced labor from their parents? Or from representatives of the factory.

 

[Revoltingest]

I prefer that corporations that benefit from the labour pay for the labour. Corporations like Walmart for example can make record profits while their full time employees need food stamps. This is essentially subsidizing billionaires so they can make more profit. No reasonable person could suggest that corporations like this cannot afford to pay its employees.

No reasonable person would claim that corporations
(& other forms of business ownership) should be
required to pay based upon what the employee
needs, rather than what they can produce.

Using welfare so corporations don’t need to pay a living wage is not good policy.

It's better than your plan.

And I recognize your scripture....

 

[fantome profane]

No reasonable person would claim that corporations
(& other forms of business ownership) should be
required to pay based upon what the employee
needs, rather than what they can produce.

It's better than your plan.

And I recognize your scripture....

There is a big difference between K. Marx and I. Kant.

You don’t recognize my scripture at all.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is a big difference between K. Marx and I. Kant.

You don’t recognize my scripture at all.

If the shoe fits, Komrade.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That is as ridicules as suggesting people in prison can always leave if they wanted to; yeah they might starve to death in the cold but at least they'd be free. When the USA had slavery, there were special officers whose job it was to capture run-away slaves because so many slaves did run away, only to be recaptured and tortured.

No one said it was easy but even inmates occasionally escape.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If the shoe fits, Komrade.

No, it doesn't. Lots of non-Commy, non-Marxist philosophers promote moral and social obligations.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, it doesn't. Lots of non-Commy, non-Marxist philosophers promote moral and social obligations.

He proposed extreme economic measures.
I heard Marx's quote in his theme.
It is what it is.

 

[fantome profane]

He proposed economic measures.
I heard Marx's quote in his theme.
It is what it is.

A minimum wage is communism?

 

[Revoltingest]

A minimum wage is communism?

You think so?
I don't.
It's just excessive regulation that doesn't help all in need.
And vastly inferior to the UBI, which would help all in need.

 

[Stevicus]

Those who escaped successfully were usually done with the help of others; like Quakers, or those involved with the Underground Railroad.

Yes.

True, but that’s a different conversation

Only if you choose to make it so. If we're talking about inhumanity and cruelty by those with power against the powerless, then it can come down to the same basic conversation. The bottom line is that the state must maintain primacy in order to prevent such private-sector abuses, whether it's slavery, exploitation, low wages, price gouging, abuse, etc.

Were those beatings and forced labor from their parents? Or from representatives of the factory.

Probably both.

 

[Kfox]

No one said it was easy but even inmates occasionally escape.

So you changing it now? Before you said

No one is ever "owned" or "forced" to do anything. Everyone has choices, even slaves. Slaves can walk/run away. Slaves can fight back.

Now you saying “even inmates occasionally escape”. Pointing to the fact that 0.0001% of inmates escape is a far cry from your original claim IMO of everybody having the option of leaving.

 

[Kfox]

Only if you choose to make it so. If we're talking about inhumanity and cruelty by those with power against the powerless, then it can come down to the same basic conversation. The bottom line is that the state must maintain primacy in order to prevent such private-sector abuses, whether it's slavery, exploitation, low wages, price gouging, abuse, etc.

No; the bottom line is the fact that the vast majority of slaves did not have access to Quakers, the Underground railroad, or others willing to help them to escape; so this idea that slaves had the option to just get up and leave if they wanted to is not only insulting to those who suffered under such bondage, but absurd

Probably both

Only if the parents signed off on this.

 

[Stevicus]

No; the bottom line is the fact that the vast majority of slaves did not have access to Quakers, the Underground railroad, or others willing to help them to escape; so this idea that slaves had the option to just get up and leave if they wanted to is not only insulting to those who suffered under such bondage, but absurd

What's actually insulting is to disingenuously attempt to minimize the wanton abuses of capitalists over the centuries and dismiss the sufferings of countless billions worldwide, while claiming that it's moral because "at least they weren't slaves" and they had the choice to walk away at any time. My point is, technically speaking, slaves had the same choice - unless they were physically chained or walled in, which was hardly the case. But was it really that much of a choice? You tell me.

Only if the parents signed off on this.

Usually, the parents were in equally destitute situations and had little choice - except the same choice as a slave. They could walk away and try to live off the land somewhere and hope that nobody bothers them.

 

[The Hammer]

An underperforming worker who needs assistance.
But by your definition, this person is a "government
slave" because payroll taxes taken are so high that
they can't survive.

It's still wage slavery imo. Whether it's because taxes are too high on the person or business.

Your notion of an "underperforming" worker is subjective.

 

[The Hammer]

I find your views & corruption of language dangerous & ignorant.
But I hadn't planned to air such criticism...until you invited me.

That's fair. But I'm not sure where I'm corrupting language.

As for dangerous. Like you said to me once before, what harm is there in airing opinions here? It doesn't matter or change anything realistically.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's still wage slavery imo. Whether it's because taxes are too high on the person or business.

Your notion of an "underperforming" worker is subjective.

If people can't survive on their take home pay,
then you should be consistent, & call them
"tax slaves" too.
I've found that it's quite objective to determine
what an employee is worth. I paid more to the
ones who were more valuable, eg, maintenance
workers, office manager.
Don't try to argue that employers can't judge
performance. It ain't perfect, but it's doable.