74x12
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Don't stop there. Finish Acts 4:12. The name Jesus is given among men whereby we must be saved.
According to Philippians 2:11 who does the name of Jesus glorify?
Talk about clear.
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Name of Jehovah in new testament
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According to Philippians 2:11 who does the name of Jesus glorify?
Talk about clear.
Certainly; no dispute there! He honors his Father, as any obedient son does.
74x12
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Here is the prophecy:
Joel 2:32 the name is Jehovah
Here prophecy fulfilled:
1 Corinthians 1:2 the name is Jesus
Philippians 2:11 the name is Jesus
John 4:10 who is it exactly that Jesus said to ask in order to receive the gift of the holy Spirit?
The Anointed
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Exodus 3: 13-15' Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?" 14God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'" 15 God also said to Moses, "Say to the Israelites, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers-the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob-has sent me to you.' "This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.
Deuteronomy 18: 18; YHVH/WHO I AM, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put my words into his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command. And I will punish all who refuse to heed MY words, which he will speak in my name etc.
It was the Lord “WHO I AM,” whose words came out of the mouth of the man Jesus, who he chose from among the Israelites and sent him to speak in his name, and it was “WHO I AM,” who said through the mouth of his earthly host body that he had filled with his spirit, “When you lift up the SON OF MAN you will know that I am Who I Am.” John 8: 28.
Jesus, through whom the SON OF MAN, the only begotten son of God, revealed himself to the world, was the earthly IMAGE of the SON OF MAN, who develops within the body of mankind, and Jesus, the earthly IMAGE of the SON OF MAN, was lifted up upon a stake in the same manner that Moses lifted up the IMAGE of the serpent in the wilderness, in order that those who were dying because of the venom of the serpent which was coursing through their veins, only had to look to the IMAGE of the serpent which had been lifted up in order to be saved. John 3: 14.
It was the only begotten son of God, [The SON OF MAN] who said through his earthly servant Jesus, “Father! Give me glory in your presence now, the same glory I had with you before the world was made.”
John 5: 24; "Whoever hears my words, said Jesus, and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.
The only name by which we can be saved: "I am true to my God, to my God 'WHO I AM.' "
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The Anointed,
Pleesse, Do you know what ratiocination means?? if you try to reason out anything on your own, without going to the Bibles that are as close to The Original Autographs, as is possible, you are Doping Out, and you find yourself stymied, because of Ego-Centric Predicament, meaning that no human can reason on God’s word, and find a better answer, than you get by searching God’s word for truth.
Please remember, it take time for me to put down Scriptures that prove what I say, and you, evidently do not read and meditate on the Scriptures,not on what I say,but what the Scriptures say.
Please listen, and learn!! Most Bibles have decided to go along with Jewish Superstition, which was, that the name of God is too Sacred to be spoken by the imperfect lips of mankind, so most Bibles have substituted the word, LORD, or GOD, in all Capital letters, in the places where the Original Autographs had YHWH, which,in English is the word for God’s Personal, Proper Name, Jehovah. The Tetragrammaton, YHWH, which was the name of The Almighty, was written in the Original Autographs over 6,900 Times.
If you look up Exodus 3:15, in the 1611,King James Version, where LORD is used, for God’s Name. Then go to Exodus 6:2,3, where LORD is used in verse 2, but inverse 3 Jehovah is used, and as verse 3:15, this is His Name forever and His Memorial, forever.
The name Jehovah was in the Original writings so often, that if you just open your Bible to any page in the Hebrew Scriptures, And you will find His name,usually, in capitals LORD,or GOD, then remember that the Original Autographs had Jehovah in each of these places.
To show a point,please turn to Isaiah 42:8. Here the KJV says; I am-the LORD, that is my name. Now think, LORD is not a name, it is a title. The Scripture originally said, I Am Jehovah,that is my name. See how changing the words in Holy Scripture does not give the full truth??
The KJV only uses God’s name four times, Exodus 6:3, Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, 6:4. Many Bibles leave God’s Name completely out of His own Book, that He inspired to be written, 2Timothy 3:16. I do not think Jehovah is happy with that, because He put His own name in His Book. If Jehovah had not wanted His name known and used, He would not have put it into His Book, over 7,000 Times. This cannot be done with impunity!!!
The Anointed
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Jehovah is the name of God as spoken in Hebrew, but you don't read the bible in Hebrew, so now, as your bible is translated to English, you must now translate God's Holy name to English, and rather that say, "I am a witness to Jehovah," You should now say, "I am true to my God, 'WHO I AM.' "
Why do you think the Hebrews did not like to speak the Holy name of God, which to them in their language, was "WHO I AM=JHWH?"
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Jehovah is not the name of G-d spoken in Hebrew.
The Hebrew of Exodus 3:14 does not translate as "I am Who I am."
The Tetragrammaton, which you have represented with JHWH, does not appear in Exodus 3:14.
The Anointed
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Hebrew Bible Exodus ……. 3: 14; “And said God unto Moses I AM WHO I AM and he said, thus shall you say to the sons of Israel ’I AM’ has sent me unto you.
GNB…. God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.
The Jerusalem Bible……"God said to Moses, 'I am he who is.' And he said, 'This is what you are to say to the Israelites, "I am has sent me to you." '"
New American Fireside Bible……."God said to Moses, 'I am who I am.' Then he added, 'This is what you are to say to the Israelites, "I am has sent me to you."
The Living Bible….. God says to Moses, “Tell the Israelites that ‘I AM’ has sent you.
Full Life Study Bible……. God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.
Revised Standard Version Bible…… God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: 'I AM has sent me to you.’
KJV…… And said God unto Moses, “I AM WHO I AM and he said, thus shall you say to the sons of Israel ’I AM’ has sent me unto you.”
New Spirit Filled Life bible…… “And said God unto Moses I AM WHO I AM and he said, thus shall you say to the sons of Israel ’I AM’ has sent me unto you.
I rest my case.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
@The Anointed -
Rather than reinvent the wheel, or get into the subject of tenses in Biblical Hebrew, let me quote my friend @rosends, who is an Orthodox rabbi, since you may doubt me, a Reform rabbi.
"The laughable translation of 'ehyeh asher ehyeh' 'I am that I am' is so egregiously wrong because the verb form there is in the future tense."
Rather than reinvent the wheel, or get into the subject of tenses in Biblical Hebrew, let me quote my friend @rosends, who is an Orthodox rabbi, since you may doubt me, a Reform rabbi.
"The laughable translation of 'ehyeh asher ehyeh' 'I am that I am' is so egregiously wrong because the verb form there is in the future tense."
The Anointed
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I AM WHO I WILL BE, is a good name for The Son of Man, 'Jahel' the Most High in the creation and the only begotten Son of God. [Jah=Lord to the glory of EL=the Creator] who, according to our concept of one directional linear time, is still currently developing within the body of EVE=Mankind just as mankind had developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors.
But who, when Eve is reunited to her Lord and the umbilical cord is severed, is able to descend from his heights in time to be chosen by Abraham as his God, in order to be the salvation of the body in which he was formed.
For the sinful life of the woman is justified by the righteous child who she bears to her Lord.
According to the Tanach....Exodus 3:14-15 says....."14God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"
ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.
טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9864
Do you see in the Hebrew that the translation into English is future tense? This is a God who is telling Israel what he will become to them. The divine name appears in verse 15. This is YHWH the God of Israel, who was also the God of Jesus. Even upon his return to heaven, Jesus still refers to his Father as "my God". (Revelation 3:12)
God's name never meant "I AM"...that is a trinitarian lie. Jesus never referred to himself as "'Ehyeh".
He said "I am" many times, but not once did he do so in the context of declaring himself part of a pagan trinity.
The Anointed
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And what makes you think that anything that came out of the mouth of the MAN Jesus, were his actual words?
Deuteronomy 18: 18; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS into his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command. I will punish all who do not heed MY WORDS that He will speak in my name etc.
Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."
Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "Blessed is he, who comes in the name of the Lord." Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites and send to the people to speak in his name.
Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove? “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”
They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by “I Am, Who I Will Be” who raised the body of Jesus, HIS earthly temple, which had been filled with his spirit.
Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.
1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord and will also raise up us by his own power.
2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.
2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.
Acts 17:20-31; “In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by means of the MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from the dead."
_________________________It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who put ‘HIS WORDS’ into the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus, who said; “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”
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The observations I have made is that everyone is coming up with vague innuendos about why God’s name is not mentioned as it should. There are parts of the name as Hallelujah etc. But the question originally is that if Christ came to make His Father’s name known, then why is that name not mentioned hundreds of times throughout the New Testament. Why doesn’t our Lord Jesus say explicitly,’ my Father’s name is Jehovah’. ’ my Father’s name is Jehovah’’ my Father’s name is Jehovah’. But He doesn’t. Mind you also have to consider, His name was never ‘Jehovah’ because there is no ‘o’ or ’e’ sound in the original Hebrew. When all is said and done, it is the name of ‘Jesus’ that is prominent, appearing some 147,243 times in 99,779 verses of Scripture. It is the name of Jesus Christ that is important. If Jesus was not God, His Father would not have allowed all that attention to a lesser being. Let’s face facts, Jesus Christ is God, manifest in the flesh for our salvation. Certainty for eternity.
The Anointed
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If the man Jesus was God he could have risen himself from death, but he could not and did not.
If Jesus were God, why did he say to Mary Magdalene in John 20: 17; "Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father to my God and your God."
Desert Snake
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Because it's the same God.
The Anointed
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‘IT’??
IT is our God and the God of Jesus, ‘IT’ Is our Father who is in heaven and the Father of the man Jesus, of who it is written in Acts 3:13; “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus.”
Christ's Prophet
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Now you’re thinking the right way. Jesus did say that He was going to raise His own body from the dead. Remember what He said in:-
John 2:19-22 (KJV)
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Certainty for eternity
Oeste
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Nonsense. The reluctance was based on Exodus 20:7:
"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."
This goes beyond a mere oath, but to any expression that might take God's Name in vain.
and Deuteronomy 28:58
"If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, The Lord Thy God;"
So the reluctance by the Jews to pronounce the Divine Name except during readings and prayers were based on their understanding and interpretation of scripture, and not on any "superstition."
"Jehovah" is a word construction of the 16 century, so I doubt if this would have appeared in any original autographs.
Not really.There is only one Father in heaven much like you have one only one Father on earth. When you found out your father's actual name, did someone come along and convince you calling him "Dad" was not giving the "full truth"?
If my earthly father would not have been happy with me calling him by his name rather than position, I can only imagine how unhappy my heavenly Father would have been. I think calling him "Dad" always meant a lot more to him than someone uttering his actual name.
There were certainly appropriate times to make my Dad's name known, for example when checking him into a hospital or filling out legal documents. The same appropriateness applies to our heavenly Father.
The Anointed
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Let me here repeat: "Those were not the words of the man Jesus."
Deuteronomy 18: 18; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS into his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command. I will punish all who do not heed MY WORDS that He will speak in my name etc.
Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."
Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "Blessed is he, who comes in the name of the Lord." Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites and send to the people to speak in his name.
Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove? “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”
They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by “I Am, Who I Will Be” who raised the body of Jesus, HIS earthly temple, which had been filled with his spirit.
Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.
1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord and will also raise up us by his own power.
2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.
2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.
Acts 17:20-31; “In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by means of the MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from the dead."
_________________________It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who put ‘HIS WORDS’ into the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus, who said; “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”
Oeste
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Then our eyes deceive us, because scripture explicitly tells us at John 2:19:
Jesus answered and said unto them "Destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up"
Did he say "...in 3 days the Father will raise it up"? No!
Jesus explicitly said he would raise it up.
How do we know that this was Jesus actually speaking, and not simply a mannequin or avatar that couldn't speak on its own?
Well, first because scripture tells us it's Jesus who answered, and not the Father who answered. Second, Jesus tells us "I will raise it up" and not "My Father will raise it up".
Third, the notion this is the Father speaking through Jesus and not Jesus speaking himself is utterly destroyed in verse 23:
"But he spoke of the temple of his body"
Who spoke? If it's the Father then the Father is speaking about raising his own body, and I don't recall the Father having a body that needed raising!
Lastly, because I'd really like to put the whole thing to rest, if it's only the Father speaking through Jesus because he's an avatar, mannequin, or "manifestation" we would never be able to reconcile Jesus' numerous statements about his Father with any degree of consistency.
Let's look at the scripture you cited before:
If the above verse means:
"Destroy this temple and in 3 days I <the Father> will raise it up."
Then it also means:
"I <the Father> am ascending to my Father..." (John 20:17)
As you've already pointed out there are other scriptures which point to the Father's role in raising Jesus, just as there are verses that allude to Jesus and the Spirit raising the body of Jesus (John 10:17-18, 2 Corinthians 13:14) which leads me to believe all 3 persons of the one Triune God raised Jesus.