very good post. Yeah, sports allegiance is weird, but I think it may be analogous to national pride. As a patriot, I take pride in what I see as the good things about my nation, and what my fellows have done in that vein, and the potential for the future. I also acknowledge the things that my country and fellow citizens have done that were wrong--we need to learn from that. You might say I'm a fan of my country (I'm also a fan of several other nations, and cultures, but that may or may not be related to patriotism...) and want to celebrate it and make it better, and defend it if attacked, and so on, but by no means do I support our interference in other nations, our foisting of our culture on all others.Thanks for the reply, @beenherebeforeagain
Rooting for sports teams are an interesting thing to consider. I don't know if it is any different elsewhere, but here in Brazil people often take a side in traditional team rivalries for what is usually no reason at all.
Sport teams hardly have any causes or ideologies beyond the thrill of earning a victory. But that is apparently plenty enough. The players are not even all that tied to specific teams or places, but that hardly matters. It is in fact easier to meet someone who switched political allegiance than one who decides to change sports allegiances.
Maybe it is just me, but I sure find that a bit weird. The point seems to be to feel the thrill, not to have a rational reason sustaining it.
But there is a valuable resource to be had that way. People bond and create emotional connections over such allegiances, and that has lots of pratical use, if not necessarily value.
On a separate note, I want to point out that it is proper and good to feel pride of one's land brothers. It is even more proper to feel grateful to the circunstances of one's birth and raising, of course.
But patriotic pride is IMO something else entlrely, and very difficult to make sense of.
Were I a nationalist, on the other hand, I might be more like those who are not just fans of a team, but the superfans...unquestioning support and dedication, strong emotions against those not aligned with "my" team, wanting and expecting everyone to support my team, and so on...
I think you're right, a lot of this goes to emotion, which is by definition not rational, and certainly it's engrained in our societies and we tend to get socialized into it...but at the same time, there are those who will go against family and community and support something else, despite being in the minority...when I was young, I was for a time a communist (anarcho-syndicalist), and still in some ways hold those beliefs, which was/is very different than my family and my community. I'm now much more in favor of individual-level freedom in business, etc., and so tend to fall much more libertarian in my social and economic views than most in my community--I'm supporting a different team, as it were...
I apologize for bringing the sports metaphor into this discussion...