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Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union?

Which form of Government would you rather live under?

  • Nazi Germany

    Votes: 8 47.1%
  • Soviet Union

    Votes: 9 52.9%

  • Total voters
    17

Spiderman

Veteran Member
If we are going to judge the entire life quality of a large nation on specific crimes by the government I think you'll find we can find lots of reasons to assume life in America was quite garbage at that time. There is a lot of hypocrisy in this thread, people not noticing that the governments they live under pull similar ****.
If it offended you I'm sorry, that was not my intention. My intention is simply to speak the truth of what school never taught us. They did an excellent Job of showing the unprecendented savagery of Nazi Germany (Which school and Historians need to expose) but not the Soviet Union. I'm trying simply to speak the truth that Historians don't teach despite it being verified and credible as other Historical facts.

No, I don't think the law allows those atrocities to be done legally, but that isn't to say our Government isn't filled with flaws and injustice. But I can go hold up signs that say American Government is the biggest terrorist and mass murdering Satanic institution on earth without the Government arresting doing anything to me. People protest the Gov here all the time. I listed what would happen to people under the leninist or Stalinist Soviet Union. It is true. I have heard the testimony of Russians of all Faiths and Russians of no faith.

They said the Government was always unstable and insecure while trying to hide it to intimidate the rest of the world and it's own people. The Gov was always scared. A scared animal is the most viscious. The Gov was so weak the Soviet Union collapsed without firing a shot but they brutally executed their opponents because of fear.

Let's just say there is a Devil which you may not believe in. If there is one, the Soviet Union was His utopia. Soviets would send people to concentration camps for having "sacred" literature, texts, the Bible, proselytizing, having the title "priest" or nun etc. They would cut off priests hands so they couldn't say mass (I would rather go to Auschwitz and die in a gas chamber than live a full life span without hands.) They would pluck out eyes, puncture ear drums, skin people alive, have them eaten alive by dogs, torture them till they are paralyzed for a lifetime, keep them sleep deprived to see how long it takes a person to die of sleep deprivation, see how long it takes them to go insane and die from solitary confinement, tie people's wrists to their ankles and leave them in a cave to watch them slowly be eaten by rats, crucify, burn them, boil them, freeze them, drown them, have them watch their wife and children get raped, force priests to rape nuns, hack off genitals, draw and quarter them....

...force them to attend satanic mass, urinate on the Eucharist and items they thought to be sacred, force them to eat feces with Holy communion, force them to blaspheme and renounce their faith then shoot them in the head before they could repent to try and get them to lose their souls. I place emphasis on that because the soviet Union hated Religion. Nazis hated people that oppossed them. Almost a person of any Religion, including military chaplains were allowed by the Nazi Government insofar as they didn't preach against it.

A small percentage of German prisoners returned to Germany after the war. The Russians chose not to feed them and have them eat the corpses of their comrades. When Russia went into Germany there were thousands of German women commiting suicide for there were mass rapes of German women and children. It wasn't like that in west Germany where the Americans and occupied.

It is true Hitler starved a lot of political prisoners and Jews which is a terrible way to go, but when the allies arrived, the Germans themselves were also starving and maimed and sick. Hitler committed most of His mass executions when He realized that He would lose the war. He said He wanted to take down the world with him. The Soviets on the other hand did such crimes to their own people in times of peace.

When Hitler had mass executions they were ussually in gas chambers, hanging, or firing squad, all of which are fast deaths. He had people work themselves to death, which is an awful way to go, but He was trying ussually to get them to accomplish something like forcing the Belgians to build underground airfields so the brittish couldn't destroy them and working them 16 hours a day with no breaks and not enough food (still torture nontheless). It wasn't the same as the soviet torturing just for the sake of torturing and doing it on such a mass scale.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
What about lenins USSR?
Also most claims of Stalin are widely exaggerated, the state undertook capital and therefore Stalin is responsible for everything.

To be executed by the Cheka or the NKVD, both options sound so good so I can't decide.


Well, peoples concept of the soviet union appears to be completely the late stalinist ussr and that is quite the contrast to the leninist ussr.

Ah yes the beautiful Red Terror. Under whose reign was that again?

Oh right Lenin.


This is quite intriguing to me, what've you got on Lenin?

Google > Red Terror Cheka > Pictures

Its probably Capitalist propaganda. :rolleyes:
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
To be executed by the Cheka or the NKVD, both options sound so good so I can't decide.




Ah yes the beautiful Red Terror. Under whose reign was that again?

Oh right Lenin.




Google > Red Terror Cheka > Pictures

Its probably Capitalist propaganda. :rolleyes:
And it is good to hear that from you because the Soviet Union supported anti-semitic terrorists and armed Egypt and the anti-israeli Nations hoping for the destruction of the Jewish state as well.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
And it is good to hear that from you because the Soviet Union supported anti-semitic terrorists and armed Egypt and the anti-israeli Nations hoping for the destruction of the Jewish state as well.

And yet the Red Army saved my grandparents from certain death.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
And yet the Red Army saved my grandparents from certain death.
The red army did good in that they saved many victims of the Nazis which should not be underestimated or dismissed, but while they were doing this they were barbarically torturing and slaughtering their own people.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
It is good that they saved your grandparents, but it wasn't because they love Jews. Communists always want to look good and that's one reason why they would torture their enemies from the waist down but make them look very healthy before the camera when they tell their comrades back home how wonderful communism is and how wrong are the enemies of Communism for combating it.

There is a documentary about the gulags called " Beyond torture" and people testify that the Soviets were constantly covering up their atrocities even to the extent of killing all of the Concentration Camp guards including doctors so that nobody could speak of what happened there.

I highly doubt Stalin who hated all religions , especially monotheistic religions , would have much love for a people that identify themselves as God's chosen people, unless it served communist agendas.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
Just wondering. If America (or your country)were to have to be the equivalent of the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, which one would make your life less of a Hell? Obviously we don't want either, but just curious. Growing up, in school History, and from others, I always heard about Hitler and Nazi crimes. Almost never about Joseph Stalin.

It was also Stalin who instituted the first ethnic killing campaigns. There is so much debate about the number of deaths He was responsible, it is tough to know. The estimate is up to 60 million people. The general consensus is 20 million.

But which regime do you think would be less miserable to live under personally? For a Jew there is no question that Nazi Germany would be the greater Hell. However, for people who like to go to Church and freedom of Religion, there was more freedom to practice Religion in Germany, because Nazism was not intrinsically Atheist.

The question is which would cause you less misery personally, not which would do the most damage in General.
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And here I thought the Hillary or Trump question was tough...
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
I voted for <Nazi>.
- I know more German than Russian.
- Nazis were snappier dressers.
- Nazis allowed some capitalism.
- Better management.

I hate to sound like a choir, but I have to agree. Setting aside the concentration camps and the whole taking over the world thing, the Nazi's ran a pretty tight ship.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I hate to sound like a choir, but I have to agree. Setting aside the concentration camps and the whole taking over the world thing, the Nazi's ran a pretty tight ship.
To be able to blitz through Western, southern Europe , and North Africa like they did then then win so many early victories against Russia , it's quite an amazing thing for a small country that had not long before been quite devastated in another huge War.
 
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