SkepticThinker
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Evidence of what though?
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Near Death experiences and the scientific method.
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It is evidence that she was there and dead at the same time. Proving we are spiritual beings.
gnostic
The Lost One
Psychology, psychiatry, anthropology, sociology, political sciences, economics, and plenty more, which all would fall under broad classification of Social Sciences.
Social Sciences related to studies of human behaviour, human cultures, and human social activities.
Social Sciences differed from Natural Sciences.
Natural Sciences include all sciences concerning nature, and can be broken down into the following sciences:
- Physical Sciences
- Life Sciences
Physical Sciences, on the other hand, include physics, chemistry, Earth science and astronomy.
Physics and chemistry have many applications, especially in engineering and technology, eg computers and network technologies, which in turn, have many applications. The knowledge of physics and chemistry are required in other sciences, including astronomy and Earth science.
While both natural sciences and social sciences, natural sciences only concern with biological aspects of humans, such the human anatomy and physiology, DNA, their physical health, and so on.
While social sciences concern with people’s emotions, behaviors, what they think about, how they live culturally or in societies, hence social sciences deal with the social aspects of humans.
People who studied natural sciences, like physicists, tend to think social sciences, particularly psychology, as “soft science”.
SkepticThinker
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How is it evidence that "she was there and dead at the same time?"
And how is it evidence of spiritual beings? That's quite a leap. How do we define and measure "spiritual beings?"
It's obvious if you watch the video.
Ben Dhyan
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So in my religious practice which is derived from multiple sources, the goal is to still the mind which is a form of temporary psychological death when the thinker, the 'I' ceases to arise. To experience a form of nde (or obe, expanded consciousness, etc.) s to be expected when the mind ceases thought.
As an analogy, think of sight. We all see and some of you may understand the science underlying it, visible wavelengths, light em frequencies, retinas, optical nerves. the absorbing of certain wavelengths means we see only those wavelengths that are reflected, etc etc.. What most people do not think about when they think of sight is the background source which is everywhere during daylight. We take it for granted but what is it, it has no color, we see things through it. It is of course the couple of octaves of light spectrum between infrared which we can't see and ultraviolet which we can't see.
So it is with consciousness, our thoughts are happening in a background of silent awareness, just like the objects we see in a background of the illuminating light. How can we prove this, well it is not easy and will take a lot of practice but when there is no thought, the mind will apprehend the illuminating awareness beyond the thinker, the thinker however must 'die' during this 'time'.
As an analogy, think of sight. We all see and some of you may understand the science underlying it, visible wavelengths, light em frequencies, retinas, optical nerves. the absorbing of certain wavelengths means we see only those wavelengths that are reflected, etc etc.. What most people do not think about when they think of sight is the background source which is everywhere during daylight. We take it for granted but what is it, it has no color, we see things through it. It is of course the couple of octaves of light spectrum between infrared which we can't see and ultraviolet which we can't see.
So it is with consciousness, our thoughts are happening in a background of silent awareness, just like the objects we see in a background of the illuminating light. How can we prove this, well it is not easy and will take a lot of practice but when there is no thought, the mind will apprehend the illuminating awareness beyond the thinker, the thinker however must 'die' during this 'time'.
No. It’s evidence of the brain doing crazy things when confronted with possible death (assuming she’s telling the truth).
If this were the only experience I might agree with you, but there are hundreds of them that have been verified by doctors and medical staff in attendance at the time. Pam Reynolds was clinically dead for one hour and watched her operation which was verified by the surgeon who is now a believer. Easy to find on YouTube. Believe what you will, but the spiritual world is very real to me because I have experienced it.
SkepticThinker
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It isn't to me or I wouldn't be asking.
"It's obvious" isn't an answer that provides any explanatory power as to what is going on.
What is it that you think is going on? What is an NDE supposed to be evidence of?
SkepticThinker
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I've read over her case the last time I engaged with someone on this topic.
It's really not as remarkable as you make it sound, and she didn't see or hear anything that she couldn't have already known about or been aware of. And, her timeline doesn't really work out as to when she was "dead" and when she was supposedly viewing and hearing things.
Those hundreds of experiences aren’t proof of an afterlife. All those individuals were experiencing something due to extreme psychological pressure related to dying.
I was saddened by reading all the misinformation in that report. Hardly anything he said is actually correct. There is definitely similarities in NDEs. Pam Reynolds was clinically dead during the time she explained what she saw. The surgeon went public with her experience and fully believes it real because he was there, and Sam was not. I got the feeling he barely skimmed the accounts and made up him article. Well, it is OK, I know what the truth is and more people are learning every day that they are real. I don't understand why the misinformation, actually it is great that we are spiritual.
Not just NDEs, but many other anomalies exist that point to something beyond the brain. Reincarnation remembered, conjoined twins that are completely different in brain power, savants who are badly handicapped yet can do amazing things. Here is a video of a badly handicapped man who sat down at a piano and played flawless Beethoven without one lesson. Well enough said, some will and some won't.
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SkepticThinker
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I still don't understand what you are trying to say these things are.
Are you saying they are magical experiences or something, that allow a person to have superpowers they didn't have before? (Like playing the piano?)
Please explain.
I mean, my dad had a massive stroke that affected his ability to speak clearly and in complete sentences. But whenever we put music on, we noticed that he was singing entire songs with no problem whatsoever. Now, we could claim he must have gotten some magical powers somehow, or we could investigate his brain activity to see what is really going on. It sounds like you'd go with the former rather than the latter. I just don't see how your method is useful to us.
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There is no magic in this world. No supernatural or abnormal powers. Everything that happens is natural. We are spiritual beings first. Suggest you read about what that means. Science is falling farther and farther behind on the insistence that we are our brain. Our brain is an interface something like a television. It takes the signals from our spirit as a TV takes signals and turns them into actions. A caveman looking at a television would believe all the people were inside the TV box. Science thinks we are in our brains which is wrong. So science will be left behind in the dust as religion was during the dark ages.
There is no magic in this world. No supernatural or abnormal powers. Everything that happens is natural. We are spiritual beings first. Suggest you read about what that means. Science is falling farther and farther behind on the insistence that we are our brain. Our brain is an interface something like a television. It takes the signals from our spirit as a TV takes signals and turns them into actions. A caveman looking at a television would believe all the people were inside the TV box. Science thinks we are in our brains which is wrong. So science will be left behind in the dust as religion was during the dark ages.
rational experiences
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I thought science said a human is declared deceased by decomposition.
Some humans did not bodily decompose. So they kept them preserved to see if they would reawake naming them a saint.
They never awoke. So now own science proof.
Life a human claims is to be bodily still living.
Consciousness the speaker of all human wisdoms however goes.
Man says his consciousness defines God should be an accepted scientific answer when you look for God by science machines.
For machines.
As machines.
Some humans did not bodily decompose. So they kept them preserved to see if they would reawake naming them a saint.
They never awoke. So now own science proof.
Life a human claims is to be bodily still living.
Consciousness the speaker of all human wisdoms however goes.
Man says his consciousness defines God should be an accepted scientific answer when you look for God by science machines.
For machines.
As machines.
Actually, the article I posted was spot on. You’re just blinded by faith. As are millions of others around the world.
I don't have faith, don't need it. I was there, a real live experience. The article was completely false information and the doctor doing the surgery will say the same thing. He was there, Sam was not, just blowing smoke.
I am not sure what your point is, perhaps later. Clinical death is described when the heart stops beating, 11 seconds later the brain stops. Pam Reynolds was clinically death for one hour during which she described what happen around her dead body. We are not our brains or our bodies. We are light beings. Spiritual energy that lives eternally. If you don't believe that it is OK doesn't change anything.