Near Death experiences and the scientific method.

[Lekatt]

I just discovered another NDE video that explains and teaches what I have been teaching for over 30 years. This is so good and will help everyone that listens.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Do you believe that anything anyone experiences, is by default real and trustworthy?

Two men say they are Napoleon. At least one of them has to be lying or delusional.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I just discovered another NDE video that explains and teaches what I have been teaching for over 30 years. This is so good and will help everyone that listens.

Beautiful story, we can all learn from it. When our conditioned personal ego is able to look inwards instead of outwards, it apprehends the universal unity in the omnipresent now instead of the apparent multiplicity of space and time of the thinking mind, and is naturally stunned into the silence of bliss and unconditional love.

 

[Lekatt]

Beautiful story, we can all learn from it. When our conditioned personal ego is able to look inwards instead of outwards, it apprehends the universal unity in the omnipresent now instead of the apparent multiplicity of space and time of the thinking mind, and is naturally stunned into the silence of bliss and unconditional love.

Well said friend, all Christians should know about this if they follow the teachings of Jesus. I try very hard to do all these things as I have seen/felt the light. Thanks

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well said friend, all Christians should know about this if they follow the teachings of Jesus. I try very hard to do all these things as I have seen/felt the light. Thanks

How do you know that NDE's have anything to do with Jesus?
When did anyone actually make that connection apparent?

 

[Shadow11]

There have been major studies done on NDEs. There are some interesting things things that are consistent in them - they never see living people all the people they see are dead that greet them in NDEs , there seems to be some kind of life review, and some meet this being of light all are told to go back because apparently if you pass this point you are dead. I saw a study done by an emergency room doctor who spoke to all who came back from no life signs. He is thoroughly convinced it real. There is also a profound after effect of the event where people completely change.

 

[KWED]

Solid evidence has been presented and rejected by atheists. Nothing new here.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Do you believe that anything anyone experiences, is by default real and trustworthy?

I do. Bigfoot, Yeti, Wendigo, the Loch Ness Monster, Alien visitations, abductions and autopsies, everything throughout history that anyone has believed is true, must be true.




Or possibly some of it isn't.

 

[KWED]

There have been major studies done on NDEs. There are some interesting things things that are consistent in them - they never see living people

Except for all the ones where they see living people. Many NDEs claim to see themselves on the operating table, with all the doctors, nurses, etc.

all the people they see are dead that greet them in NDEs , there seems to be some kind of life review, and some meet this being of light all are told to go back because apparently if you pass this point you are dead. I saw a study done by an emergency room doctor who spoke to all who came back from no life signs. He is thoroughly convinced it real. There is also a profound after effect of the event where people completely change.

There is no question that some people have these experiences. The problem is that there is nothing to suggests that they are anything more than hallucinations/dreams generated by the brain, just like the hallucinations and dreams that happen all the time.

There is zero evidence that consciousness can exist independently of the physical brain, and some evidence that it is a product of the physical brain. We know that we can alter and manipulate consciousness by altering and manipulating the physical brain. Given this, it seems a mighty stretch to insist that a hallucination experienced under extreme stress or trauma is actually evidence of an afterlife where consciousness goes after death.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What we know NDE's are................

What people claim they are...everything under the sun.

 

[KWED]

I just discovered another NDE video that explains and teaches what I have been teaching for over 30 years. This is so good and will help everyone that listens.

So, a woman with a very treatable form of cancer rejects conventional treatment until she is very ill. She then undergoes intensive conventional treatment and makes a recovery. Whilst in a coma she experiences some dreams.

Could you explain what part of this is evidence for a spiritual world?
Thanks in advance.

 

[KWED]

Two men say they are Napoleon. At least one of them has to be lying or delusional.

Not if the spirit of Napoleon is simultaneously possessing both of them.
There is good evidence for this. The evidence is me claiming that it can happen on the internet. I could make a video of me making the claim if you are in any doubt.

 

[KWED]

Beautiful story, we can all learn from it. When our conditioned personal ego is able to look inwards instead of outwards, it apprehends the universal unity in the omnipresent now instead of the apparent multiplicity of space and time of the thinking mind, and is naturally stunned into the silence of bliss and unconditional love.

Yeah, what we can learn is that even if you are stupid enough to reject effective conventional treatment, it still might not be too late for conventional treatment to save you.

 

[KWED]

Well said friend, all Christians should know about this if they follow the teachings of Jesus. I try very hard to do all these things as I have seen/felt the light. Thanks

What about people who follow the teachings of Muhammad and claim divine intervention in NDEs, or Hindus or Jews or Buddhists or Sikhs? Are they necessarily dishonest or delusional?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Not if the spirit of Napoleon is simultaneously possessing both of them.
There is good evidence for this. The evidence is me claiming that it can happen on the internet. I could make a video of me making the claim if you are in any doubt.

I am in doubt. Spirits cannot be so divided. Would that be a continuation of the NDE into a Fully Dead Experience?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What about people who follow the teachings of Muhammad and claim divine intervention in NDEs, or Hindus or Jews or Buddhists or Sikhs? Are they necessarily dishonest or delusional?

It appears when we have a gap in our knowledge, you can fill that gap with any claim or interpretation and declare that is the truth.

I have beliefs, but good grief.

 

[Lekatt]

It appears when we have a gap in our knowledge, you can fill that gap with any claim or interpretation and declare that is the truth.

I have beliefs, but good grief.

Some people become so frightened of death and what religion says might happen to them that they reject spiritual knowledge and become atheists. It is important to them to believe there is no afterlife. However, NDEs show they really have nothing to worry about. There is no hell, no judgment or punishment in the afterlife. Actually it is full of love and caring. A wonderful place.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yeah, what we can learn is that even if you are stupid enough to reject effective conventional treatment, it still might not be too late for conventional treatment to save you.

Your talking point is irrelevant as to whether her experience was an NDE. A genuine NDE is still an NDE regardless of prior decision making.

 

[Shadow11]

Shadow11 said: ↑
There have been major studies done on NDEs. There are some interesting things things that are consistent in them - they never see living people
Except for all the ones where they see living people. Many NDEs claim to see themselves on the operating table, with all the doctors, nurses, etc.
You think that's what was implied they don't communicate with the doctors and nurses they see them and them selves in a out of body experience The people that greet them in the NDE are all dead never a living person not once.They have met family members they never knew who died before they were born. You cannot explain this.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Shadow11 said: ↑
There have been major studies done on NDEs. There are some interesting things things that are consistent in them - they never see living people
Except for all the ones where they see living people. Many NDEs claim to see themselves on the operating table, with all the doctors, nurses, etc.
You think that's what was implied they don't communicate with the doctors and nurses they see them and them selves in a out of body experience The people that greet them in the NDE are all dead never a living person not once.They have met family members they never knew who died before they were born. You cannot explain this.

Sure I can. I have never heard this claim before and you are likely making it up.

See? Easy to explain. Do you have a reliable source that supports you? Here is a clue, if they accept NDE's as being something more than just a natural reaction it probably is not reliable.