Its okay now!
May Allah Almighty forgive u. I'm nothing!
Praying for u and peace, take care
Salaam
Sami
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May Allah Almighty forgive u. I'm nothing!
Praying for u and peace, take care
Salaam
Sami
paul!
I wil reply u late, i'm on fast today.
joeboonda
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Hi Summia! I hope you are well today. I can't help but comment on how passionate you are in your love for Allah. It is very lovely to me to see such deep devotion like you have. I am sorry you believe I try to lie on purpose, for I, of course believe I have the truth. But that is okay. I see we definetely believe differently still on Ishmael and Isaac. I understand Isaac means laughter because Sarah laughed when she heard God promise she would become pregnant at such an old age. And you are correct about Ishmael's name'for the Bible says God HEARD Hagar's affliction:
Genesis 16
11And the angel of the LORD said unto her (Hagar), Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction
Note that God heard HAGAR's affliction, NOT Abraham's. For Sarah had kicked her out because she was angry because she had not conceived yet. This is in Genesis 16 if you want to read the story.
Here are some verses about Isaac and God's promise:
Genesis 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
21
But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
Genesis 21:3
And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.
Here we see Isaac was born of Sarah and that God would establish His covenant with him for an everlasting covenant. What we believe about this is that Jesus Christ came from Isaac's line and it is through Him that salvation is available to all the world. Here are some verses that you would probably consider lies but they do not conflict with the rest of the Bible:
Genesis 22:2
And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
3And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ***, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.
6And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.
7And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
9-13And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
23:10And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. 13And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
The verse I underlined is significant to us Christians because Jesus said:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
So, just as Abraham was so obedient to God that he was willing to offer his only son, God offered His only Son that whoever believes in him may have everlasting life. Here are some verses we believe:
Hebrews 11
17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: 19Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
Just as Abraham believed God was able to raise Isaac from the dead, God raised His Son, Jesus. who actually was sacrificed for our sins, from the dead. You see how this ties in with our core beliefs? Of course we both believe we are right and the other wrong about this, but I wanted to share a little bit about my beliefs.
Here is the promise God gave to Abraham:
Genesis 12
1Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
This last phrase, that in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed, we believe as I said, that Jesus descended from the line of Isaac, who begat Jacob, who begat twelve sons who became the 12 tribes of Israel through whom came Jesus, the Messiah. "All families of the earth" may be blessed by believing in Jesus for eternal life, which is a free gift to all who believe Jesus paid for all our sins on the cross and rose again.
The Bible also says good things about Ishmael. I will give some background verses then the verses that tell what God says about Ishmael. Note that God told Hagar to name him Ishmael because He heard HER affliction, not Abraham's:
Genesis 16
10And the angel of the LORD said unto her (Hagar), I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
15And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
The Bible says God would make of Ismael a great nation, which He did. Here is a bit more scripture:
Genesis 17
15And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
16And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
17Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
18And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
So we see from these verses that God promised Sarah a baby but Abraham tried to make it happen on his own and conceived Ishmael by Hagar. But Sarah did miraculously conceive and had Isaac through whom God said all nations will be blessed--we believe because through his line Jesus would come to save anyone who calls upon His name. Yet, Ishmael is also blessed of God but no covenant is made with him that through his seed all nations would be blessed, yet he would still begat a great nation. Well, this is what the Bible says and what I believe, thank-you for letting me share with you my beliefs. God bless you and if I can explain my beliefs further I will try to do so.
Peace and Love,
Mike
Genesis 16
11And the angel of the LORD said unto her (Hagar), Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction
Note that God heard HAGAR's affliction, NOT Abraham's. For Sarah had kicked her out because she was angry because she had not conceived yet. This is in Genesis 16 if you want to read the story.
Here are some verses about Isaac and God's promise:
Genesis 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
21
But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
Genesis 21:3
And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.
Here we see Isaac was born of Sarah and that God would establish His covenant with him for an everlasting covenant. What we believe about this is that Jesus Christ came from Isaac's line and it is through Him that salvation is available to all the world. Here are some verses that you would probably consider lies but they do not conflict with the rest of the Bible:
Genesis 22:2
And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
3And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ***, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.
6And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.
7And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
9-13And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
23:10And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. 13And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
The verse I underlined is significant to us Christians because Jesus said:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
So, just as Abraham was so obedient to God that he was willing to offer his only son, God offered His only Son that whoever believes in him may have everlasting life. Here are some verses we believe:
Hebrews 11
17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: 19Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
Just as Abraham believed God was able to raise Isaac from the dead, God raised His Son, Jesus. who actually was sacrificed for our sins, from the dead. You see how this ties in with our core beliefs? Of course we both believe we are right and the other wrong about this, but I wanted to share a little bit about my beliefs.
Here is the promise God gave to Abraham:
Genesis 12
1Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
This last phrase, that in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed, we believe as I said, that Jesus descended from the line of Isaac, who begat Jacob, who begat twelve sons who became the 12 tribes of Israel through whom came Jesus, the Messiah. "All families of the earth" may be blessed by believing in Jesus for eternal life, which is a free gift to all who believe Jesus paid for all our sins on the cross and rose again.
The Bible also says good things about Ishmael. I will give some background verses then the verses that tell what God says about Ishmael. Note that God told Hagar to name him Ishmael because He heard HER affliction, not Abraham's:
Genesis 16
10And the angel of the LORD said unto her (Hagar), I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
15And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
The Bible says God would make of Ismael a great nation, which He did. Here is a bit more scripture:
Genesis 17
15And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
16And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
17Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
18And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
So we see from these verses that God promised Sarah a baby but Abraham tried to make it happen on his own and conceived Ishmael by Hagar. But Sarah did miraculously conceive and had Isaac through whom God said all nations will be blessed--we believe because through his line Jesus would come to save anyone who calls upon His name. Yet, Ishmael is also blessed of God but no covenant is made with him that through his seed all nations would be blessed, yet he would still begat a great nation. Well, this is what the Bible says and what I believe, thank-you for letting me share with you my beliefs. God bless you and if I can explain my beliefs further I will try to do so.
Peace and Love,
Mike
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
This is very simple. The Bible is the Bible. The Koran is the Koran. They are two completely different pieces and styles of literature, written in entirely different languages, by entirely different authors, to entirely different audiences, with entirely different agendas. It's like trying to compare a dog with a Saturn V rocket.
Muhammed is not mentioned in the Bible, because Muhammed was not part of the culture that produced the Bible. It's really that simple. The Biblical writers thought of themselves as the people of God. The OT writers wrote from that perspective to those people of the Hebrew tribes. The NT writers wrote to Christians about Christian issues, not muslim issues.
The Bible is not what you think it is. It is not what you are desperately trying to make it be. It's our Bible -- we wrote it, God helping. We use it, we find revelation and inspiration within it. We created this tool for our understanding. I think we know what it is and what it is not.
Muhammed is not mentioned in the Bible. That's just the way it is. Nor does he bear mentioning. Get over it.
Muhammed is not mentioned in the Bible, because Muhammed was not part of the culture that produced the Bible. It's really that simple. The Biblical writers thought of themselves as the people of God. The OT writers wrote from that perspective to those people of the Hebrew tribes. The NT writers wrote to Christians about Christian issues, not muslim issues.
The Bible is not what you think it is. It is not what you are desperately trying to make it be. It's our Bible -- we wrote it, God helping. We use it, we find revelation and inspiration within it. We created this tool for our understanding. I think we know what it is and what it is not.
Muhammed is not mentioned in the Bible. That's just the way it is. Nor does he bear mentioning. Get over it.
Therefore ye killed him!
Yeah! He was your life but Alas! Ye put their life at cross.
Wheres so?
I know Biblical verses, bring them at the post. So that I may inform you good understanding of Biblical meanings.
How can you say that Muhammad did nothing for, O man!
Your savior Jesus is in Quran,
I ask you!
As Christain claims that Quran is Muhammads handy scripture then why Muhammad used to praise Jesus as a prophet?
Look!
If the prophet that declares the false, he always used to say in oppose to the previous prophet. But lo! Herez Muhammad is the witness of your savior Jesus!
And you say Muhammad offer you nothing.
Herez in Quran about paradise,
For whom these Blessings are:
1) Believers
2) Do Good works
Can I ask why you are only thinking of your self to be offered?
It is simply called selfishness.
If you love Jesus then I ask you why your ancestors forced the Jesus to place on cross?
After killing your own comforter, is it a sense that you will be forgiven by God Almighty?
Then Why you killed Jesus?
And after killing him your forefather used to said HE has died for ourselves!
Its selfishness. You only thinking about yourself and ignoring the true facts!
Point number 1: this verse dont explain about the prophethood. It explains that Jesus is the first and last Messiah
No NO! Im not claiming so. Look here, your own schiorlars are commenting about this verse. And see Im not putting one type of commentary this time but all the gathered commentaries about this verse
Lets have a Look!
Look! In this commentary there is no proof of Jesus as the last PROPHET. Yeah! But he is the last Messiah. And thats same as Muslims believe.
They believe that Jesus pbuh is alive and will come back.
I ask you, why u did the same as jeoboona did?
He didnt read the commentary and post for the false believes.
Herez other commentaries about the verse Revelation 1:17
PNT:1:17 I fell at his feet as dead. Overcome with awe. No sinful man can stand before God and live; hence the impression made by the appearance of the Lord is that of terror.
Fear not. But when the Lord spoke to the disciple it was with the old love. How often before had Jesus said Fear not.
I am the first and the last. See PNT Re 1:8. The attributes claimed for Jehovah are also claimed for Christ.
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Verse explains about Jehovah claim for Christ but not Muhammad pbuh.
Herez your scholar made my point so clear, he was not first and last prophet but Massiah (whom you refer to God in other words)
Fear not. But when the Lord spoke to the disciple it was with the old love. How often before had Jesus said Fear not.
I am the first and the last. See PNT Re 1:8. The attributes claimed for Jehovah are also claimed for Christ.
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Verse explains about Jehovah claim for Christ but not Muhammad pbuh.
Herez your scholar made my point so clear, he was not first and last prophet but Massiah (whom you refer to God in other words)
MHC:1:12-20 The churches receive their light from Christ and the gospel, and hold it forth to others. They are golden candlesticks; they should be precious and pure; not only the ministers, but the members of the churches; their light should so shine before men, as to engage others to give glory to God. And the apostle saw as though of the Lord Jesus Christ appeared in the midst of the golden candlesticks. He is with his churches always, to the end of the world, filling them with light, and life, and love. He was clothed with a robe down to the feet, perhaps representing his righteousness and priesthood, as Mediator. This vest was girt with a golden girdle, which may denote how precious are his love and affection for his people. His head and hairs white like wool and as snow, may signify his majesty, purity, and eternity. His eyes as a flame of fire, may represent his knowledge of the secrets of all hearts, and of the most distant events. His feet like fine brass burning in a furnace, may denote the firmness of his appointments, and the excellence of his proceedings. His voice as the sound of many waters, may represent the power of his word, to remove or to destroy. The seven stars were emblems of the ministers of the seven churches to which the apostle was ordered to write, and whom Christ upheld and directed. The sword represented his justice, and his word, piercing to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, Heb 4:12. His countenance was like the sun, when it shines clearly and powerfully; its strength too bright and dazzling for mortal eyes to behold. The apostle was overpowered with the greatness of the lustre and glory in which Christ appeared. We may well be contented to walk by faith, while here upon earth. The Lord Jesus spake words of comfort; Fear not. Words of instruction; telling who thus appeared. And his Divine nature; the First and the Last. His former sufferings; I was dead: the very same whom his disciples saw upon the cross. His resurrection and life; I have conquered death, and am partaker of endless life. His office and authority; sovereign dominion in and over the invisible world, as the Judge of all, from whose sentence there is no appeal. Let us listen to the voice of Christ, and receive the tokens of his love, for what can he withhold from those for whose sins he has died? May we then obey his word, and give up ourselves wholly to him who directs all things aright.
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What I have underlined, your scholar made most clear my point that Jesus is not the Last PROPHET but last Messiah.
But I say Muhammad pbuh is the last prophet came after Jesus. Jesus dosent say that he is the last prophet but first and last Messiah!
Reference: New American Standard Bible Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation, La Habra, Calif. All rights reserved. For Permission to Quote Information visit http://www.lockman.org.
Reference link:http://biblecommenter.com/revelation/1-17.htm
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What I have underlined, your scholar made most clear my point that Jesus is not the Last PROPHET but last Messiah.
But I say Muhammad pbuh is the last prophet came after Jesus. Jesus dosent say that he is the last prophet but first and last Messiah!
Reference: New American Standard Bible Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation, La Habra, Calif. All rights reserved. For Permission to Quote Information visit http://www.lockman.org.
Reference link:http://biblecommenter.com/revelation/1-17.htm
Then I need to ask you!
Rather i would consider it your poor understanding of verses or you was intended to prove false arguments?
Do i need to bring the proof for these verses or it is enough?
I have put all argument for you with commentary, it didnt explains about Jesus is the last prophet but he is last Messiah!
Prophet means The messenger given Book from God Almighty
And
Messiah means The comforter
Come on paul! Your knowledge! Ahhhhhhh
What can I say to you and as well jeoboona, May you would be able to understand Jesus.
Then It a common sense that Sarahs name must be Isaac and Isaac name must be son of Isaac
Wait i wil post that is a separate topic, I will post the new thread about this issue...
saty with!
Salaam!
There is difference in religion and culture Sir!
religion is not whatever u write by ur wish and saying it God's word!
فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ ٱلْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَـٰذَا مِنْ عِنْدِ ٱللَّهِ لِيَشْتَرُواْ بِهِ ثَمَناً قَلِيلاً فَوَيْلٌ لَّهُمْ مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُمْ مِّمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ
“Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, " This is from Allah " , that they may purchase a small gain therewith Woe unto them for what their hands have written and woe unto them for what they earn thereby” (2:79)
I'm not here to win my self, i'm here to tell the truth!
Why r u doing the same as u did before while slaying ur own savior at the cross!
Oh yeah!
I have forgot!
you don't believe in Quran then why I gave you proof from Quran about writting scriptures with your own hand.....
Herez the Biblical proof....
Let us look at what GOD Almighty Said in the Bible:
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
I have forgot!
you don't believe in Quran then why I gave you proof from Quran about writting scriptures with your own hand.....
Herez the Biblical proof....
Let us look at what GOD Almighty Said in the Bible:
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
Now every one have concluded nothing to say any more !
If people can write their own scripture while Bible is clearly warnig to write scriptures, then debating about Bible is of no avail.
If the people can write the scripture while saying it Gods word then every thing can be expect to them.
1) they can wiped out the name of Muhammad (prophecy of Muhammad) in the bible.
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?'(From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
2) They can also change their biblical version while original text is some thing else
3) they can also place name if Isaac intead if Ishmael who placed at altar.
Thanx sonjouner!
Only you told the truth at the post!
If people can write their own scripture while Bible is clearly warnig to write scriptures, then debating about Bible is of no avail.
If the people can write the scripture while saying it Gods word then every thing can be expect to them.
1) they can wiped out the name of Muhammad (prophecy of Muhammad) in the bible.
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?'(From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
2) They can also change their biblical version while original text is some thing else
3) they can also place name if Isaac intead if Ishmael who placed at altar.
Thanx sonjouner!
Only you told the truth at the post!
Name of Muhammad pbuh in Hebrew Bible:
There is an important prophecy in the Song of Solomon (5:9-16).
In this prophecy, the one who is spoken of here is the beloved of God. One of the titles of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh is Habibullah -- the beloved one of God.
Secondly: "My beloved is white and ruddy". This was the color of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh,
Thirdly, "Chiefest among then thousands". We have already shown that Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh was at the head of ten thousand f ollowers at the time of the conquest of Mecca.
The fourth and most striking point in this prophecy is the name of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh in verse 16. It reads: "Yea, he is altogether lovely" in English Bible. In the Hebrew Bible, the word is "Muhammad-im".
(See Hebrew Bible printed for the British and Foreign Bible Society by Trowitzsch & Sons, Berlin, P. 1159)
There is an important prophecy in the Song of Solomon (5:9-16).
In this prophecy, the one who is spoken of here is the beloved of God. One of the titles of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh is Habibullah -- the beloved one of God.
Secondly: "My beloved is white and ruddy". This was the color of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh,
Thirdly, "Chiefest among then thousands". We have already shown that Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh was at the head of ten thousand f ollowers at the time of the conquest of Mecca.
The fourth and most striking point in this prophecy is the name of Hadhrat Muhammad pbuh in verse 16. It reads: "Yea, he is altogether lovely" in English Bible. In the Hebrew Bible, the word is "Muhammad-im".
(See Hebrew Bible printed for the British and Foreign Bible Society by Trowitzsch & Sons, Berlin, P. 1159)
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
It was stated earlier that we killed Jesus when Jesus clearly said:
John 10:17-19
17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Something was exposed here, but I will keep that to myself.
John 10:17-19
17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Something was exposed here, but I will keep that to myself.
lillitruthseeker
Member
I wonder why didnt Jesus or God reveal himself to the Chinese? Why didnt he go to Asia or the Americas??? God sure didnt know a whole lot about anything if he left out so many important people like Muhammed -- I mean seriously whassup with that
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
Jesus told his disciples to go into ALL the world and preach the gospel. It is still being done today. Mohammad came along 500 years later and denied the eye-witness accounts of the crucifixion, thus the resurrection by saying Jesus was NOT crucified, thus he is a false prophet who has deceived many.
What rubbish!
your own comanion have proved about Bible is written and yeah!
You can change, ur scholar can change the verses!
I have no believe!
Aaakh!
Are u proving me from Bible???
If u still want me to clearify you then herez….
Firstly this verse don’t explain that “Jesus lay down for you (means Christians)”
Jesus can say so when people were placeing them at cross he may say so “17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
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Coz when Jesus was plaing at the cross he protested so much but Stone Hearted people don’t notice him and put him on the corss. After that he filled with the power of Divine “When Allah Almighty consoled him by saying that you would never crucified (As Muslims believe)”
Again you mistake jeoboona!
Why don't you stop posting rubbish now?
Plz fellow!
don't believe on jeoboona he already lied on the post about HIS OWN SCRIPTURE
BIBle!
But plz!
Don't say about Jesus pbuh so, coz Muslims respects Jesus as they respect Muhammad pbuh!
Infact tuth is: Jesus pbuh was for a specific nation "Bani Israel"
"Son's of Jacob (The 12 tribes)"
Jesus prophesied about Muhammad pbuh in the Bible but they (Christians) wrote their book and changed the version to original text.
Muhammad pbuh is the Last prophet for the whole world; therefore u will find the truth with clear proof in Muslims, as I did!
As jeoboona is saying that Muhammad is false,
Plz therefore i have posted my op with the Question
"Why ur Bible say nothing about Muhammad?"
They said nothing, (their own christain fellow said who spoke the truth)
Then it is the common sense that if their bible (their holy religious scripture) say nothing about Muhammad then who gave them right to call Muhammad as a false prophet!
Its a common sense!