new age beliefs thats wrong

[Spice]

Well, to me that is too simple. But if it works of you, then fine. I still do it differently.

Why must it be complicated? Punishment should equal the crime, yes? Good behavior and rehabilitation, and such should be weighed against the judgement, the scales of justice must still be balanced, yes? It goes with the natural law of action to reaction.
Who is the judge, where is the courtroom, and where is the prison is a matter we can only speculate. Personally, I believe God is judge, the courtroom is in heaven, and the prison is here on earth. But it's only my deduction as of today.

 

[Audie]

You did not answer my question

Your question is nonsense.

You answered me with a q, which is no answer.
That's throwing it back at me Twice

You dodged admitting you are judging.
Twice.

You're out.

 

[Starlight]

Your question is nonsense.

You answered me with a q, which is no answer.
That's throwing it back at me Twice

You dodged admitting you are judging.
Twice.

You're out.

you judged me because i believe those books teaching that all people go directly to heaven is wrong about that.

So all means all. But in the end you do not believe it you either. So why juging me?

 

[Audie]

you judged me because i believe those books teaching that all people go directly to heaven is wrong about that.

So all means all. But in the end you do not believe it you either. So why juging me?

I'm not the one who pretends not to judge.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I'm not the one who pretends not to judge.

On what basis do you judge?

 

[danieldemol]

now you are rude

To the contrary he wasn't rude at all in my view, just frank. There is a difference and your character attack is noted.

 

[Spice]

 

[1213]

But what do you say to these passages:
John 17:1When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, 2since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.. . . 12While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
Matthew 20:15Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’

I understand those are about the disciples of Jesus, who were given to Jesus.

 

[Spice]

I understand those are about the disciples of Jesus, who were given to Jesus.

Yes, part of John 17 is specific to the 12, IMO as an example, but not the unlined prior that says all flesh, nor Matthew.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What do you think about this? It is really true that all people go directly to heaven? Or if is a half-true like i believe?

That obviously cannot happen. God (according to Abrahamic religions, I am an atheist. I neither believe in existence of God or of souls) will do the raising on the day of Judgment. Going to heaven or hell is only at that time.

The impression I get from near-death experiences (of others) is that everyone (of them) found themselves in a similar situation - watching their body, moving around, seeing a person, seeing a light or river or tunnel, in other words a place that can be traveled to or traveled along or traveled through.

NDE is the last hurrah of the dying brain, it is not a reality.

 

[Spice]

That obviously cannot happen. God (according to Abrahamic religions, I am an atheist. I neither believe in existence of God or of souls) will do the raising on the day of Judgment. Going to heaven or hell is only at that time.

That is definitely the belief of a significant portion of Christianity. Or at least a vocal portion. But Jesus told the thief on the cross next to him that he would see him in Paradise that day.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is definitely the belief of a significant portion of Christianity. Or at least a vocal portion. But Jesus told the thief on the cross next to him that he would see him in Paradise that day.

Perhaps Jesus was giving moral support to a fellow traveler. Paradise and everlasting life are the standard inducements in religions.

 

[SalixIncendium]

That is definitely the belief of a significant portion of Christianity. Or at least a vocal portion. But Jesus told the thief on the cross next to him that he would see him in Paradise that day.

True, but he told only the one thief that was penitent. I don't believe he said this to the other thief.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I don't understand what is so attactive in believing such dogma. It seems to me an interferance to living.

Last time I looked around I found what is an interference to living is: death
To me it is 'death' that interrupts living (1st Corinthians 15:26)
Whereas, those of us still alive on Earth at Jesus' coming Glory Time - Matthew 25:31-34,37 - can remain alive on Earth
As Jeremiah 29:11 says with a future and with hope
Hope as Isaiah 32:18 says we'd be dwelling in peaceful habitation in tranquil resting places - See also Isaiah 65:22
Isaiah 60:18 continues that violence will be heard No more...... ( No more war on Earth - Psalm 46:9 )
We will even be able to sleep secure in the forest if we'd want to - Ezekiel 34:25
Even feel secure with the animals - Hosea 2:18
To me this is all very attractive

 

[URAVIP2ME]

True, but he told only the one thief that was penitent. I don't believe he said this to the other thief.

In Scripture I find only the wicked are destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; 104:35; 145:20; Proverbs 2:22
Resurrection is for both the righteous and unrighteous (KJV just and unjust ) - Acts 24:15
Thus, the 'unjust' thief was Not promised Heaven, but to be resurrected back to life on a paradisical Earth
( remember: to qualify for heaven one must first make a private dedication to God and public water baptism )
No one who died before Jesus died (John 3:13) was offered a heavenly resurrection - Acts 2:34
So, if the other thief was Not judged as wicked but as unrighteous he also will have an earthly resurrection

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Perhaps Jesus was giving moral support to a fellow traveler. Paradise and everlasting life are the standard inducements in religions.

I can agree that 'paradise and everlasting life' go hand in hand, but viewpoint teachings differ
No one who died before Jesus died was offered a heavenly resurrection - John 3:13
Heaven is for those like the ones found at Luke 22:28-30; Rev. 20:6; 5:9-10; Daniel 7:18 ( saints/holy ones)
Thus, the paradise that was offered to the thief is an 'earthly paradise' when Jesus comes/returns
This is when enemy death will cease to exist on Earth - 1st Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8

 

[F1fan]

Last time I looked around I found what is an interference to living is: death

More than interference, it ends life.

To me it is 'death' that interrupts living (1st Corinthians 15:26)
Whereas, those of us still alive on Earth at Jesus' coming Glory Time - Matthew 25:31-34,37 - can remain alive on Earth
As Jeremiah 29:11 says with a future and with hope
Hope as Isaiah 32:18 says we'd be dwelling in peaceful habitation in tranquil resting places - See also Isaiah 65:22
Isaiah 60:18 continues that violence will be heard No more...... ( No more war on Earth - Psalm 46:9 )
We will even be able to sleep secure in the forest if we'd want to - Ezekiel 34:25

Even feel secure with the animals - Hosea 2:18

Irrelevant.

To me this is all very attractive

Critical thinkers can think about their life experience without having religious texts interfere with it.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That is definitely the belief of a significant portion of Christianity. Or at least a vocal portion. But Jesus told the thief on the cross next to him that he would see him in Paradise that day.

Not the Bible portion of Christianity because the day Jesus died he went to biblical hell/grave - Acts 2:27
Jesus was Not telling a lie but some translators wrongly inserted a comma (,) 'before' the word 'today'
In other words, Jesus was telling the thief 'on that day' that in the future he'd be with Jesus in paradise
Remember: Jesus was Not resurrected the day he died
ALL who died before Jesus died are still asleep in their graves - Hebrews 11:13,39

 

[URAVIP2ME]

More than interference, it ends life. ............................................
Critical thinkers can think about their life experience without having religious texts interfere with it.

Yes, death ends life, and without a resurrection there is No hope at all
A critical thinker or a non-critical thinker can think about their life experience with or without religious texts
I find the Bible is full of life experiences that we can read about and think about whether being religious or not

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Why must it be complicated? Punishment should equal the crime, yes? Good behavior and rehabilitation, and such should be weighed against the judgement, the scales of justice must still be balanced, yes? It goes with the natural law of action to reaction.
Who is the judge, where is the courtroom, and where is the prison is a matter we can only speculate. Personally, I believe God is judge, the courtroom is in heaven, and the prison is here on earth. But it's only my deduction as of today.

Yes, agree that punishment should equal the crime
Adam's deliberate crime was breaking the Law that carried with it the death penalty - Genesis 2:17
No post-mortem penalty for Adam, No double jeopardy to be paid by Adam, none for anyone else
There is only one (1) punishment for sin and that (1) punishment is: death
Not death plus anything else - Romans 6:23,7 - Nothing past death - Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalm 115:17; Isaiah 38:18
The reason for the first prophecy (Gen. 3:15 about the promised 'seed' aka Messiah) is to balance the Scales of Justice
Both Adam and Jesus started out sinless. Unlike us, they could only sin on purpose intentionally
Adam chose to break the law, Jesus chose to keep the law
Humanly perfect Adam sinned under favorable conditions
Humanly perfect Jesus did Not sin under adverse conditions
God is the Judge but God gave all judging to be done by faithful Jesus - John 5:22
So, at the soon coming 'time of separation' on Earth then Jesus as King is the Judge between the 'sheep&goats'
- Matthew 25:31-34,37
In this coming judgement case: the courtroom is Earth, those who are judged as wicked their 'prison' so to speak, is everlasting death aka being 'destroyed forever' - Psalms 92:7; 104:35; 145:20 Proverbs 2:21-22
The humble meek aka figurative sheep can inherit the Earth as Jesus promised at Matt. 5:5 from Psalms 37:9-11;22:26