New Jan 6th video of them constructing the hangman's gallows.

[Unfettered]

I think it's quite obvious why you think "It makes no sense...".

Go get a toy gun; put a sign on each side of it saying "It's just a toy!", and then go pull it on a police officer and see what happens. Or take it to a bank and see.

You're defending that which should not be defended from both a legal and a moral point of view.

Nuff said.

You and I can bat it back and forth all day long. My question remains: Were those who built the gallows charged with something related to the gallows? Were they charged by the DoJ of their political opponent with a crime related to their artwork? If not—if not even their hated political opponent's justice department would charge them with what you and others are levying here—ought that not inform us here? Don't get me wrong; I think it's all stupid and in bad taste and would never do anything like it. But I wouldn't want to live in a country where such expressions were "criminal."

 

[fantome profane]

You and I can bat it back and forth all day long. My question remains: Were those who built the gallows charged with something related to the gallows? Were they charged by the DoJ of their political opponent with a crime related to their artwork?

I don't think anyone even knows who there were.

 

[Unfettered]

I don't think anyone even knows who there were.

You may be right. Though, that could have been said at the outset about the droves of persons they've since charged. They identified and found all those folks. It is a determined DoJ!

The substance of my participation here is very simple: I've looked at what everyone else has looked and I see no crime related to the gallows artwork. I see no grounds for charging them with plotting or attempting to murder anyone with their artwork. And I believe the hyperbole to the contrary is ridiculous, notwithstanding the gravity of the overall situation and the crimes that were committed.

 

[fantome profane]

You may be right. Though, that could have been said at the outset about the droves of persons they've since charged. They identified and found all those folks. It is a determined DoJ!

The substance of my participation here is very simple: I've looked at what everyone else has looked and I see no crime related to the gallows artwork. I see no grounds for charging them with plotting or attempting to murder anyone with their artwork.

Just because you put a sign on something doesn't make it art.

 

[Unfettered]

Just because you put a sign on something doesn't make it art.

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Round and round we go. I'm done. Thanks for the thread.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Got up in their faces and chanted slogans.

"Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard" is what Trump said.

Boy, did they fail then!

If they wanted to peacefully protest and chant slogans in people's faces with a fake gallows, they probably shouldn't have made it look somewhat functional, forced their way into and through the Capitol injuring security, and shouting threats.

Also, they probably shouldn't have trusted a known shyster politician telling them the election is being stolen from him without proof when he had all the time and resources to do so.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Who gets to say?

The folks being targeted that day.

If someone built a gallows outside my house, broke in, and chased me around saying they were going to hang me, I would say the sign proclaiming "This is art" would not persuade me into thinking my life wasn't in danger.

 

[Unfettered]

The folks being targeted that day.

No jury of the peers of the accused?

If someone built a gallows outside my house, broke in, and chased me me around saying they were going to hang me, I would say the sign saying "This is art" would not persuade me into thinking my life was in danger.

Did the very persons who built the art say they were going to hang Mike Pence? Did they break in? Did they chase him around the building? I'm asking because I don't know. Seems that if we're going to hold them accountable for multiple acts, it should be shown that they committed those acts and were not just proximate to others who did.

 

[fantome profane]

No jury of the peers of the accused?

Did the very persons who built the art say they were going to hang Mike Pence? Did they break in? Did they chase him around the building? I'm asking because I don't know. Seems that if we're going to hold them accountable for multiple acts, it should be shown that they committed those acts and were not just proximate to others who did.

Does it really matter? If someone builds a gallows on your front lawn, and somebody else breaks in and chases you around and threatens to hang you, would you think the gallows was just a coincidence?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Another view of it: File:2021 storming of the United States Capitol DSC09125 (50826361168).jpg - Wikipedia

But it's ok. Apparently it's art. January 6th was an art show that go out of hand?

Had the artists got a hold of anyone like say...Mike Pence, I am sure it would have been to just discuss the art they were creating.

They would have to build a real gallows first.

No worse then Trumps guillotine.

 

[Unfettered]

Does it really matter? If someone builds a gallows on your front lawn, and somebody else breaks in and chases you around and threatens to hang you, would you think the gallows was just a coincidence?

Of course it matters. What you proposed is hypothetical. We can play "sloppy armchair judge" all day long and no one is harmed. But the persons who built those gallows are real people who have rights. I wouldn't want you to be convicted of a crime without a vigorous and thorough due process. I certainly wouldn't want to be. If I claim to be a good citizen, how could I want those persons to be denied due process?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

They would have to build a real gallows first.

No worse then Trumps guillotine.

Looking at it, I wouldn't want to be hung from it. Like, have the rope around my neck and pushed off. Would you?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Art should be tolerated.

And it's legal.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Another view of it: File:2021 storming of the United States Capitol DSC09125 (50826361168).jpg - Wikipedia

But it's ok. Apparently it's art. January 6th was an art show that go out of hand?

Had the artists got a hold of anyone like say...Mike Pence, I am sure it would have been to just discuss the art they were creating.

Wonder if the Democrats got hold of Trump? Would they show him their uber cool guillotine and had a bit of a laugh?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

No jury of the peers of the accused?

Did the very persons who built the art say they were going to hang Mike Pence? Did they break in? Did they chase him around the building? I'm asking because I don't know. Seems that if we're going to hold them accountable for multiple acts, it should be shown that they committed those acts and were not just proximate to others who did.

Sure. Innocent until proven guilty. But that doesn't change the optics of what happened that day. Defending the building of a gallows with a sign calling it art while people violently break into the Capitol chanting about hanging while seeking out people they hold angry greivances for seems like a point is being missed to me.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Wonder if the Democrats got hold of Trump? Would they show him their uber cool guillotine and had a bit of a laugh?

Maybe?

 

[Unfettered]

Sure. Innocent until proven guilty. But that doesn't change the optics of what happened that day. Defending the building of a gallows with a sign calling it art while people violently break into the Capitol chanting about hanging while seeking out people they hold angry greivances for seems like a point is being missed to me.

It's a dangerous day when justice yields to optics. I'll pass.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

It's a dangerous day when justice yields to optics. I'll pass.

It's a dangerous day when someone builds a gallows in your yard, violently breaks into your house, and chasing you yelling about a hanging.

But wait! The gallows is labeled as art.

 

[Unfettered]

It's a dangerous day when someone builds a gallows in your yard, violently breaks into your house, and chasing you yelling about a hanging.

But wait! The gallows is labeled as art.

We've covered that ground. I'm out.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Looking at it, I wouldn't want to be hung from it. Like, have the rope around my neck and pushed off. Would you?

Um it's a pretty small fake mock up with that fella sitting on the deck to gauge its actual size.......

And how could they push a person off with that Itty bitty piece of rope? He'd just stay stuck in the center.

No trap door, no lever, no crossmember support, no fall pit, no coffin, no, blindfold, no last cigarette to puff on.......