New strike on Syria without congressional approval.

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If one does the right thing for the wrong reasons does it still count?

First let them show they've done anything approaching "the right thing", then we can argue about the rightness of their reasons.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'd rather transparency and evaluation through proper channels tell than the unintended consequence of jumping the gun. You know, like Trump used to.

I think you're likely misinformed in regards to " jumping the gun".

Remember it's not only the US, but UK and France as well. I noticed a number of people here seem to be purposely leaving the UK and France out of the conversation which I would have attributed to personal bias against Trumps decision to act.

I would think there's some pertinent information that they, meaning the US the UK and French governments, are privy with that is a little bit more concrete than what some people are led to thinking.

I suspect there might be a little bit more to it than just chemical weapons alone but clearly the latest chemical attack was definitely a factor in green lighting the action to bomb chemical weapon facilities.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I think you're likely misinformed in regards to " jumping the gun".

Remember it's not only the US, but UK and France as well. I noticed a number of people here seem to be purposely leaving the UK and France out of the conversation which I would have attributed to personal bias against Trumps decision to act.

I would think there's some pertinent information that they, meaning the US the UK and French governments, are privy with that is a little bit more concrete than what some people are led to thinking.

I suspect there might be a little bit more to it than just chemical weapons alone but clearly the latest chemical attack was definitely a factor in green lighting the action to bomb chemical weapon facilities.

Even if I thought the involvement of other countries justified it more than when other countries approved the actions of Obama based on their shared intelligence (I didn't), the fallout of this doesn't seem to carry the weight that anywhere near justifies this 180 turn by Trump. Not only did Trump advertise imminent bombing with his big fat fingers on Twitter but the people roaming the wreckage of the 'chemical weapons facilities' have reported nothing more than empty buildings with no cordoning the area necessary. Consistent with 'if there was anything at all, it was moved.' Which makes this, once again, little more than platitudinous saber rattling with all the diplomatic effect of bombing empty buildings, LITERALLY. And is exactly what Trump and co were voicing concerns about and why they demanded the strike plans be approved by Congress under Obama.

I'm just saying.

 

[tytlyf]

It does strike me as odd that lefties, who enjoy so much playing the humanities and welfare card in politics,

Provide 1 example of the 'welfare card'

They vocally condemn the Trump presidency along with the UK and France for finally doing something that saves the lives of men woman, and children from being chemically attacked in horrible ways.

Lefties are vocally condemning the Trump presidency and the UK/France? Sure it isn't about the congressional approval thingy? It's important to follow the rules set in law to avoid a rampant dictator from doing harm.

Personally I'm glad we're "locked and loaded" if Syria ever dares do that yet again with banned chemical weaponry, the Syrian government is going to get more of the same because the message is clear from the White House the time for games is over.

Why wouldn't our defense be 'locked and loaded?' That an NRA ad or something? They like to use that folksy, military related language. (helps keep conservatives voting republican)

Our military is the best in the world. These days we're just throwing money away for the republican lobbyists in the MIC. Ever wonder why our tax dollars have to pay 3x the cost for military equipment?

Crooked corporations rely on the tax payer for their profits. Just get some people in there to write laws and sign the 3x deal. Ridiculous. Only 1 party likes it that way.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Why wouldn't our defense be 'locked and loaded?' That an NRA ad or something? They like to use that folksy, military related language.

Virtually all military personnel of any experience I've ever spoken to hate that folksy nonsense. I'm sure it appeals to the gung ho rubes who've never served a day in uniform, but the military doesn't actually run on folksy platitudes. "Locked and loaded" might sound super hard core to a certain class of people, but speaking for myself and, I imagine, most military veterans, give us an in depth SITREP, a tactical briefing, an actual clearly worded and defined intent of mission, then a clear ABR when it's all done. Not this ridiculous "perfectly executed strike" "mission accomplished" BS.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Virtually all military personnel of any experience I've ever spoken to hate that folksy nonsense. I'm sure it appeals to the gung ho rubes who've never served a day in uniform, but the military doesn't actually run on folksy platitudes. "Locked and loaded" might sound super hard core to a certain class of people, but speaking for myself and, I imagine, most military veterans, give us an in depth SITREP, a tactical briefing, an actual clearly worded and defined intent of mission, then a clear ABR when it's all done. Not this ridiculous "perfectly executed strike" "mission accomplished" BS.

*error* Will Robinson *error*...

That's not my own quote. I think you need to correct it to the person who's quoted that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Virtually all military personnel of any experience I've ever spoken to hate that folksy nonsense. I'm sure it appeals to the gung ho rubes who've never served a day in uniform, but the military doesn't actually run on folksy platitudes. "Locked and loaded" might sound super hard core to a certain class of people, but speaking for myself and, I imagine, most military veterans, give us an in depth SITREP, a tactical briefing, an actual clearly worded and defined intent of mission, then a clear ABR when it's all done. Not this ridiculous "perfectly executed strike" "mission accomplished" BS.

I sincerely doubt your claims. I will let you know that I have watched plenty of movies! Locked and loaded let's take out the Death Star!!

 

[Subduction Zone]

It does strike me as odd that lefties, who enjoy so much playing the humanities and welfare card in politics, vocally condemns the Trump presidency along with the UK and France for finally doing something that saves the lives of men woman, and children from being chemically attacked in horrible ways.

Personally I'm glad we're "locked and loaded" if Syria ever dares do that yet again with banned chemical weaponry, the Syrian government is going to get more of the same because the message is clear from the White House the time for games is over.

*error* Will Robinson *error*...

That's not my own quote. I think you need to correct it to the person who's quoted that.

Are you sure?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Are you sure?

Post #84 third paragraph.

Not Nowhere Man. I'm old, but I'm not senile. ; 0)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Post #84 third paragraph.

Not Nowhere Man. I'm old, but I'm not senile. ; 0)

Rats ... I just looked at the "locked and loaded" phrase. My bad.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I sincerely doubt your claims. I will let you know that I have watched plenty of movies! Locked and loaded let's take out the Death Star!!

Yes yes, "Wolverines" and such *eyeroll* well, it seems to be the basis for US national policy now, probably better get used to it.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Rats ... I just looked at the "locked and loaded" phrase. My bad.

But he did say it in post 66, which is the one @tytlyf was referring to

It does strike me as odd that lefties, who enjoy so much playing the humanities and welfare card in politics, vocally condemns the Trump presidency along with the UK and France for finally doing something that saves the lives of men woman, and children from being chemically attacked in horrible ways.

Personally I'm glad we're "locked and loaded" if Syria ever dares do that yet again with banned chemical weaponry, the Syrian government is going to get more of the same because the message is clear from the White House the time for games is over.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

That aspect was already addressed this time, it's longer in duration and of a larger scope then in past attacks.

Lives in the future will be saved because I don't think Syria is stupid enough to do another chemical attack given that all their cards are off the table now with International attention focused primarily on them.

Survey said...?

Trump’s Own Defense Secretary Just Destroyed His Syria Strike Lie

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Russia uses chemical weapons against civilians too, yet no one seems in a hurry to bomb them. Weird.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Survey said...?

Trump’s Own Defense Secretary Just Destroyed His Syria Strike Lie

You *ahem* "forgot" (not surprisingly) to add in the UK and French leadership.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Russia uses chemical weapons against civilians too, yet no one seems in a hurry to bomb them. Weird.

When was that?

 

[Twilight Hue]

But he did say it in post 66, which is the one @tytlyf was referring to

I used the term locked and loaded in my own post originally, the whole quote attributed to me by mistake however, was not my own , but rather the rebuttal instead.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

You *ahem* "forgot" (not surprisingly) to add in the UK and French leadership.

So that's the irrelevant talking point du jour, is it? No one was talking about leadership, this was to address your claim that this was going to be different to last time because it would be longer in duration.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

When was that?

Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal - Wikipedia

Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia

Moscow theater hostage crisis - Wikipedia

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I used the term locked and loaded in my own post originally, the whole quote attributed to me by mistake however, was not my own , but rather the rebuttal instead.

I wasn't rebutting your post, I was commenting on @tytlyf 's comment about the use of such phrases.