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New York Times endorses Harris as ‘the only choice’ for president

Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Subduction Zone said:
Too bad. You are just wrong then. If you are not willing to learn even simple economics then there is no helping you. Do you want to know a country that does not have cheap labor? Check out Japanese prices on produce. They import quite a bit because their local produce is so expensive.
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Also while you're at it , look at Japanese purchasing power for each individual.

When prices stop looking expensive to us because our individual purchasing power increases,, we are on the right track.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
No Harris has to do better than that other than giving out word salad and memorized lines to repeat over and over that don't even apply to the questions asked of her and one that you would expect from a potential leader of the most powerful nation on earth.
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Then you have to apply the same standard to Trump. If you do not do so you are not reasoning properly. You are not reasoning rationally when you apply different standards to different candidates. Trump has an almost totally undefined health plan. He claims, though he has never supported, that he has "concepts of a health plan".

If you want to be taken seriously you need to be consistent in your reasoning.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
Also while you're at it , look at Japanese purchasing power for each individual.

When prices stop looking expensive to us because our individual purchasing power increases,, we are on the right track.
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What makes you think that the Japanese have a higher purchasing power than the US? You make such weak nonpoints that it is laughable most of the time. Once again, you need to learn how to argue consistently. Of course if you did that you would see how you are wrong.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
We Never Know said:
You can't help anyone who's primary goals are to argue, be engaged, be noticed/get attention.
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Sorry but you only want to impose your immoral beliefs upon others. I will not do so. I probably have immoral beliefs as well but I try to keep them to myself.

If all that you can do is to form a weak personal attack then you have nothing.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Subduction Zone said:
You probably don't. Your children and grandchildren on the other hand may at some point. To support the Republicans all too often arises out of thinking only about oneself.
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Most of them support the Republican party thankfully. Without my help. Imagine that, they do it all by themselves!
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Subduction Zone said:
Sorry but you only want to impose your immoral beliefs upon others. I will not do so. I probably have immoral beliefs as well but I try to keep them to myself.

If all that you can do is to form a weak personal attack then you have nothing.
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Who said my post was about you? I said anyone.
You thinking that it was about you says a lot.
That's all you get from me lol
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Kathryn said:
Most of them support the Republican party thankfully. Without my help. Imagine that, they do it all by themselves!
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If push comes to shove they would probably easily change their minds. Please note, I am not advocating forced abortions. Technically one could argue that you are since a state that can ban abortions can also order them. I am for allowing people to go with their own conscience. I am not assuming that my ideals are the only right ones and should be ordered everywhere. I would not force a person to become an atheist. I would not force someone to learn at least the basics of science. I will argue for that, but force is not the route that I would take. The antiabortion people are trying to force their morals, and I have as of yet to see any of them make a cogent argument for them, upon others. That to me is far more immoral than anything that I do.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Subduction Zone said:
If push comes to shove they would probably easily change their minds. Please note, I am not advocating forced abortions. Technically one could argue that you are since a state that can ban abortions can also order them. I am for allowing people to go with their own conscience. I am not assuming that my ideals are the only right ones and should be ordered everywhere. I would not force a person to become an atheist. I would not force someone to learn at least the basics of science. I will argue for that, but force is not the route that I would take. The antiabortion people are trying to force their morals, and I have as of yet to see any of them make a cogent argument for them, upon others. That to me is far more immoral than anything that I do.
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I doubt they would change their minds, easily or otherwise. I am pretty liberal compared to them, actually.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

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Clizby Wampuscat said:
That answers nothing. Surely there should be a definition of what a health risk means before we end a life.
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It answers everything.
It's the woman's body and the woman's choice. If she and her doctor discuss her health and find that continuing the pregnancy will cause what doctor and woman consider risk to her health, then they'll make a choice moving forward.

How on earth is some third party that has nothing to do with the situation sitting around with a definition of "risk" going to have any bearing on the matter? What on earth is your personal input doing anywhere near somebody else's decision about their body, their health and their life?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Kathryn said:
I doubt they would change their minds, easily or otherwise. I am pretty liberal compared to them, actually.
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Yes, but they have a network of support. A lot of women do not have that. They do not have family that is ready to help them. Personally I do not like abortions either, but I can see the need for them by some. I am too old now, but if I was involved with a woman and knocked her up (that is highly technical terminology) I would not abandon her. Okay, I am not "too old" but I cannot see myself going out with someone of that age these days. I always thought that the elderly rich men with hot hot young wives to be a bit pathetic. A young "girl" to me these days is usuallya woman in her forties.

But even when I was of that age I felt the same. Unfortunately there are a lot of men willing to impregnate a woman and dump her. Fewer are getting away with it these days than when I was young because there is no lying with DNA, but even so a man that is not willing to help does not really even begin to cover the total coast of his child with a mere monetary payment. There are women where an abortion is a need. I will not deny that to them. And it is immoral for others to do so. In fact the hypocrisy of Republicans is that they are willing to force women to have children but are unwilling to pay for them with social services. You cannot have it both ways and claim to be moral.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
I don't believe in that b******* about things getting more expensive for no other reason that cheaper labor makes wages plummet and so things get more expensive because you're not being paid enough.

If it was effective like you say then why the hell are prices so freaking high now and still climbing? No we are not dependent on illegals. We are in fact suffering from it.

The sooner illegals are bussed out of this country, the better it will be for the citizens who actually belong here.
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Prices are high everywhere. Including here in Canada where we are not "dependent on illegals."
COVID happened, ya know.

You're the very person who needs to be watching the video I posted.
Which is probably why you haven't watched it yet.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
SkepticThinker said:
It answers everything.
It's the woman's body and the woman's choice. If she and her doctor discuss her health and find that continuing the pregnancy will cause what doctor and woman consider risk to her health, then they'll make a choice moving forward.

How on earth is some third party that has nothing to do with the situation sitting around with a definition of "risk" going to have any bearing on the matter? What on earth is your personal input doing anywhere near somebody else's decision about their body, their health and their life?
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Pregnancy is unusual in the sense that it involves two lives. Around 97 percent of abortions are NOT performed to save the life of the mother or to relieve suffering of the baby, or for rape or incest. and at least 43 percent of abortions are performed on women who have had more than one abortion.
 
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