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New York Times endorses Harris as ‘the only choice’ for president

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Prices are high everywhere. Including here in Canada where we are not "dependent on illegals."
COVID happened, ya know.

You're the very person who needs to be watching the video I posted.
Which is probably why you haven't watched it yet.
Things are false just because you can't wrap your mind around them.
Far too many Republican supporters think that Joe Biden did something magical to raise prices. I have to give @Twilight Hue a little credit. He found an inflationary program of Biden's. The problem was that it was essentially the same as the inflationary program of Trump. Both of them had to spend heavily due to the pandemic. your government had to do the same. European governments had to do the same. We all had massive inflation after the pandemic was over. Inflation is never instantaneous. It takes a while to set in. That was the hidden tax that largely paid for our much needed "largesse" of that time.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Nothing wrong with abortion for health risks.
Abortion for convenience is what I don't like.
It has nothing to do with 'because of health risks'.
it's none of your business.

How about next time you have to visit the doctor, I come in with you and decide for you what treatments you get (or don't get)?
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Pregnancy is unusual in the sense that it involves two lives. Around 97 percent of abortions are NOT performed to save the life of the mother or to relieve suffering of the baby, or for rape or incest. and at least 43 percent of abortions are performed on women who have had more than one abortion.
One correction, what "baby"? A baby does not exist until after birth. And no one is denying those stats. You are making a "so what?" argument.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
One correction, what "baby"? A baby does not exist until after birth. And no one is denying those stats. You are making a "so what?" argument.
If you want to argue or debate, you're going to need to do this alone. I am not going to play word games with you.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
And that just pushes the question back one step. I agree there should be guidelines, but who should write those guidelines? Should medical guidelines be written by Congress or The American Medical Association?
A lot of people don’t even seem to be aware that these organizations even exist in the first place, never mind knowing that they already have rigorous medical and ethical standards in place.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Most are looking at policy, and rightfully demands clear concise answers, not because she's a woman , or black, or whatever b******* they come up with their latest definition of 'qualified'. Trump is bad is a clear sign of frantic and chaotic desperation and people are seeing right through that now and sick and tired of the current situation and sky high prices.

That means Trump because policy alone is what's going to start to fix things and not from a vapid word salad chameleon that pretends she's a capable and strong leader.
What. Policy. ????????

Trump has zero coherent policies. Just buzz words and catch phrases.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If you want to argue or debate, you're going to need to do this alone. I am not going to play word games with you.
Don't worry. You do not need to debate me. I will just correct your errors for you regardless.

When one has to misuse terminology to try to win an argument it is a bad sign. It is not unreasonable to demand that others show that an embryo is more than just a complex collection of cells for them to try to affect the lives of others. I am not trying to force you or others to not have a baby. You are trying to force others to have one. That puts a heavy burden of proof upon those that want to claim that a collection of cells is a person. I will not deny that there is a potential there. But I cannot prove it either way and neither can you.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
They stagnate. But once again you are not looking at the big picture. And remember how you keep complaining about inflation? Your proposal of ending illegal immigrants as sources of labor would be extremely inflationary when it came to fresh produce. You would be paying several times as much for most fresh fruit and vegetables. Our country right now depends heavily on illegal immigrants. Trump has no solution to that. He is lying when he says that he will deport them all since even he is not that stupid. His base on the other hand is extremely gullible and will eat up all of his lies as if they were the word of god themselves.
Actually it is rather heavily dependent on legal immigrants, those who have crossed the border and have cases in the system that have been granted the right to be here, but can't even apply for citizenship till their cases are completed. They have SS numbers and pay taxes but can't vote and are subject to Trump's attempts to deport them. With the new laws on hiring persons without a SS number, that practice is way down though you will probably still find a lot of rich people with completely illegal house help.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Most are looking at policy, and rightfully demands clear concise answers, not because she's a woman , or black, or whatever b******* they come up with their latest definition of 'qualified'. Trump is bad is a clear sign of frantic and chaotic desperation and people are seeing right through that now and sick and tired of the current situation and sky high prices.

That means Trump because policy alone is what's going to start to fix things and not from,mc.

a vapid word salad chameleon that pretends she's a capable and strong leader.
And the world sees a reverse of that.
All they seen in Trump is a psychotic Dictator.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Actually it is rather heavily dependent on legal immigrants, those who have crossed the border and have cases in the system that have been granted the right to be here, but can't even apply for citizenship till their cases are completed. They have SS numbers and pay taxes but can't vote and are subject to Trump's attempts to deport them. With the new laws on hiring persons without a SS number, that practice is way down though you will probably still find a lot of rich people with completely illegal house help.
The laws saying that one has had to have a SS number have been in existence for a very long time. When I had a business it existed. And I hired what was probably an illegal immigrant. He had ID and a SS number, but I have a feeling that it was not genuine. It took a little while to produce it. But at that time the government did not check anyone. I am not even sure if the national data base was set up. Now an employer can easily verify a SS number, but again that does not appear to be a law that is well enforced. Our country still relies heavily on illegals.

Also please note that those that are advocating for an end to illegal immigrants and complain about inflation are the least likely to take those jobs if needed. The would go ape**** if they had to pay the same prices that Japan does for meat and produce.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Pregnancy is unusual in the sense that it involves two lives. Around 97 percent of abortions are NOT performed to save the life of the mother or to relieve suffering of the baby, or for rape or incest. and at least 43 percent of abortions are performed on women who have had more than one abortion.
Please stop repeating this judgy nonsense. We've already been down this road before.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
The laws saying that one has had to have a SS number have been in existence for a very long time. When I had a business it existed. And I hired what was probably an illegal immigrant. He had ID and a SS number, but I have a feeling that it was not genuine. It took a little while to produce it. But at that time the government did not check anyone. I am not even sure if the national data base was set up. Now an employer can easily verify a SS number, but again that does not appear to be a law that is well enforced. Our country still relies heavily on illegals.

Also please note that those that are advocating for an end to illegal immigrants and complain about inflation are the least likely to take those jobs if needed. The would go ape**** if they had to pay the same prices that Japan does for meat and produce.
Not to mention that the argument that raising wages to get someone to do the jobs immigrants are doing is going to create extremely regressive inflation, exactly what they are complaining about. Cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I would want better guidelines for doctors to follow. They should define what health risk means.
They do, but they don't need to define it for you. What you want is to monitor their decisions. You don't require physicians to specify the health risks with diabetes or alcohol consumption because you understand that those are of interest to physicians and their patients, but not to you. You don't care what physicians consider to be too high a glucose until it affects you personally, and if that happened to you or a loved one, you wouldn't want government supervising that process. You would resent some buttinsky with zero medical knowledge who thinks that what you and your physician decide is his business and needs to be supervised to meet his approval.

But you want to know that doctor's standards and want them stated explicitly as if you should have any say about what goes on in the exam room.

Conservatives used to bemoan nanny statism, but now, they lead the charge. They want to dictate who can say gay, what books can be read, who can have what gender related medical procedure, who can marry whom, and who can get an abortion. None of it is your business, but your religion teaches you that it is.
Surely there should be a definition of what a health risk means before we end a life.
There is, but you don't need to know what it is. It's none of your business. You're not qualified to have an opinion on what physicians decide, and you have no legitimate role in such decision-making. If some physicians don't meet the medical community's standards, it will discipline them - not you or the government acting on behalf of the church
I have always said and Trump has said as well that is the mother's life is at risk then it is up to the mother to decide what to do.
Don't believe Trump when he seems to show concern for somebody other than himself. Trump is a liar without compunction.
you believe Trump when he says he does not want a national abortion ban?
Trump doesn't have any opinion of his own in that regard. He says what others tell him is helpful to him to say. Right now, he's gaslighting women trying to deceive them into thinking that he might protect them. He won't. Nothing wrong with abortion for health risks.
Abortion for convenience is what I don't like. It has nothing to do with 'because of health risks'.
That's fine, but if you mean to impose those preferences on others, then you are part of this same problem of people thinking that they should have control over the decisions pregnant women and their doctors make.
What % of abortions are done for health risks vs done for convenience?
You seem to think that that's your business. Why else would you care except that you have some threshold that is unacceptable to you. Even if every abortion were performed to prevent a normal but unwanted pregnancy, that's none of your business.

Edit: I see that @SkepticThinker beat me to it.
People hire illegals because of they are far cheaper than hiring citizens living there , so what happens to Citizens wages then when it's much cheaper to get illegal labor? Ever stop to think of that?
So now you're representing that you are interested in paying more for produce (for example) to protect your neighbors' wages? Judging by your repeated lamentations about prices, it sounds like you need prices to be as low as they can be. Migrant labor keeps your prices lower.
Harris has to do better than that other than giving out word salad
That what well-educated and decent people embrace as an intelligent and compassionate platform is only jibber-jabber to you is not something to keep proclaiming. It's not understood as you seem to think.

You're like the creationists commenting on scientific proclamations who say that they just don't see how the science can be correct. That, too, is not a reflection on the quality of the science, but rather, on the person who can't understand it.
 
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