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In this reference (Jagannath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) it says, 'Jagannath is considered the epitome of Tantric worship.[30] Jagannath is venerated as Bhairava or the Hindu God Shiva the consort of Goddess Vimala by Shaivites and Shakta sects.[33] Even the priests of Jagannath Temple at Puri belong to the Shakta sect, although the Vaishnava sect's influence predominates.[35] As part of the triad Balabhadra is also considered to be Shiva and Subhadra a manifestation of Durga.[36] Jagannath is said to assume the form of any God to satisfy his devotee's desire.[29] In the Bhagavata Purana the Sage Markandeya established that Purushottama Jagannath and Shiva are one.[37] Jagannath in his Hathi Besha (elephant form) has been venerated by devotees like Ganapati Bhatta of Maharashtra as the God Ganesh.[29].'namaskaram Shantanu Ji
Jai Jai , ...Lord of the universe .
Author of 'Chaitanya Charitamruta' said. We've plenty of references in Purana stating Krishna is Amsha Avatara of Vishnu, yet they say other way around. I think this is quite absurd.Honestly, Shantanu, your understanding of what the Gita says is flawed. No other Acharyas has ever said that Lord Krishna alone is the "Supreme Personality of Godhead" and that Vishnu is just an incarnation. Four armed form of Lord can be called Krishna, and two armed form with flute can be called Narayana.
Actually, Krishna is the amsa of the amsa of Narayana.Author of 'Chaitanya Charitamruta' said. We've plenty of references in Purana stating Krishna is Amsha Avatara of Vishnu, yet they say other way around. I think this is quite absurd.
Although, now that I think about it, Lord Narayana may have directly descended as Lord Krishna.Actually, Krishna is the amsa of the amsa of Narayana.
Narayana----Aniruddha------Krishna
But this doesn't mean that Krishna is inferior to Sri Aniruddha and Sri Narayana. Krishna is completely Narayana.
What do you mean by Amsha? And also, How can be there Amsha of FORM? 'Amsha of Vishnu ' can also mean 'Amsha of Nirguna Vishnu beyond form'Although, now that I think about it, Lord Narayana may have directly descended as Lord Krishna.
You are putting something that belongs in Parmarthika into Vyavaharika. If you want to talk about a Nirguna Brahman, then this entity cannot take incarnations and what not. There is just Nirguna Brahman. That's Parmarthika.'Amsha of Vishnu ' can also mean 'Amsha of Nirguna Vishnu beyond form'
You are putting something that belongs in Parmarthika into Vyavaharika. If you want to talk about a Nirguna Brahman, then this entity cannot take incarnations and what not. There is just Nirguna Brahman. That's Parmarthika.
If you want to talk about incarnations and amshas, then you are in the Vyavaharika. And thus, there is no "Nirguna Brahman". This is my understanding.
Please quote the precise chapter and verse in Bhagavad Gita where Krishna says ' I come in human form through Maya'.Through Maya it's quite possible to emerge Avatara from Nirguna. Bhagavan Krishna himself declared in Gita 'I come in human form through Maya' Through Maya, Sat can become asat. What's not possible through Maya.
'Amsha' concept defines relativity of Avatara with respect to Nirguna Infinite. It's called as 'Amsha' 'Cause the thing, infinite has assumed a finite. Finite means part. Part of infinite. Jiva is also called as part of Brahman. Because Brahman has assumed a part - finite existence through Maya.. This is my view.
My understanding is that Amsha is not part, but simply, a different form etc. Maybe it was not the right word to use, I can understand that.Through Maya it's quite possible to emerge Avatara from Nirguna. Bhagavan Krishna himself declared in Gita 'I come in human form through Maya' Through Maya, Sat can become asat. What's not possible through Maya.
'Amsha' concept defines relativity of Avatara with respect to Nirguna Infinite. It's called as 'Amsha' 'Cause the thing, infinite has assumed a finite. Finite means part. Part of infinite. Jiva is also called as part of Brahman. Because Brahman has assumed a part - finite existence through Maya.. This is my view.
Bhagavad Gita 4.6Please quote the precise chapter and verse in Bhagavad Gita where Krishna says ' I come in human form through Maya'.
God's Maya is simply referring to His creative powers to generate the universe. It does not mean the universe itself is unreal as some kind of illusion. Similarly, in Bhagavad Gita 7.13, 7.14, and 7.15, Sri Krishna says that the same Maya has been used to generate the gunas of human beings through the guna consciousness energy of the universe. What Sri Krishna is saying is that human beings with all their science are not able to understand the way He has done these two things. Only those who seek refuge in God will be able to understand how it is done.Bhagavad Gita 4.6
अजोऽपि सन्नव्ययात्मा भुतानामिश्वरोपि सन
प्रकृतिं स्वमधिष्ठाय संभवामि आत्ममायया
" Though I'm Imperishable unborn Atma of all beings and their[Beings'] lord, by residing in my Prakruti I come into existence [Manifests or Born] through my Maya. "
Honestly, Shantanu, your understanding of what the Gita says is flawed. No other Acharyas has ever said that Lord Krishna alone is the "Supreme Personality of Godhead" and that Vishnu is just an inferior incarnation. Four armed form of Lord can be called Krishna, and two armed form with flute can be called Narayana.
Bhagavad Gita 4.6
अजोऽपि सन्नव्ययात्मा भुतानामिश्वरोपि सन
प्रकृतिं स्वमधिष्ठाय संभवामि आत्ममायया
" Though I'm Imperishable unborn Atma of all beings and their[Beings'] lord, by residing in my Prakruti I come into existence [Manifests or Born] through my Maya. "
Dandavat Pranam. I hope the other contributors are merciful upon me. I don't really have as much knowledge of Shastra as them .Welcome to the forum Nitai Dasa.
I really do not think that Chaitanya Mahaprabhu preached differences between avatars of Narayana. Even so, Ramanuja, Vedanta Desika, Madhvacharya, Jayatirtha, Vyasa Tirtha, Pillai Lokacharya, Azhwars etc would disagree that one form of Narayana is greater than the other.Bhagavan' Chaitanya Mahaprabhu said so. The Six Goswamis said so. Sri Vallabhacharya says so. Even Srimad Bhagavatam, the topmost of all Puranas (Puranamalam) proudly declares "Krsna tu swayam bhagavan!".
The Krsna that is called "amsa" in the purana is different from the Swayam Bhagavan Krsna of the Bhagavtam. The former appears every Chatur Yuga, while the latter appears only once in the day of Brahma in His original blackish-blue complexion.