No Evidence for 1st Century Nazareth

[fallingblood]

Yeah, I've heard about the Roman soldier bit, too. That's plausible (however remote).

The Roman military camp is just too far out there for me - especially considering the military uselessness of such a location with Jerusalem and all the other great fortresses in the area.

I agree. I think it is telling that Josephus never used it either, even though he was set up in the area. It just didn't lead itself to a good location for a fort.

 

[Tellurian]

Yeah, I've heard about the Roman soldier bit, too. That's plausible (however remote).

The Roman military camp is just too far out there for me - especially considering the military uselessness of such a location with Jerusalem and all the other great fortresses in the area.

Apparently you are forgetting the actions of the messiah, Judas of Galilee, who led a revolt against the authorities in the early first century. Judas and his forces captured the city of Sepphoris, about 3 miles from the Nazareth location. The Romans came and attacked the city burning it to the ground. A new Roman city was built there, and it became the capitol of the Galilee until the year 19 CE when the capitol was moved to the new city of Tiberius. That would explain why there was a Roman military camp at nearby Nazareth to help rebuild and defend the city of Sepphoris before Tiberius was built. When more excavating is done beneath the city of Nazareth more evidence of the Roman military camp will be found.

Sepphoris

 

[outhouse]

Apparently you are forgetting the actions of the messiah, Judas of Galilee, who led a revolt against the authorities in the early first century. Judas and his forces captured the city of Sepphoris, about 3 miles from the Nazareth location. The Romans came and attacked the city burning it to the ground. A new Roman city was built there, and it became the capitol of the Galilee until the year 19 CE when the capitol was moved to the new city of Tiberius. That would explain why there was a Roman military camp at nearby Nazareth to help rebuild and defend the city of Sepphoris before Tiberius was built. When more excavating is done beneath the city of Nazareth more evidence of the Roman military camp will be found.

Sepphoris

The link on Sepphoris was cool.


no link at all to a roman military camp in nazareth though.

 

[fallingblood]

Apparently you are forgetting the actions of the messiah, Judas of Galilee, who led a revolt against the authorities in the early first century. Judas and his forces captured the city of Sepphoris, about 3 miles from the Nazareth location. The Romans came and attacked the city burning it to the ground. A new Roman city was built there, and it became the capitol of the Galilee until the year 19 CE when the capitol was moved to the new city of Tiberius. That would explain why there was a Roman military camp at nearby Nazareth to help rebuild and defend the city of Sepphoris before Tiberius was built. When more excavating is done beneath the city of Nazareth more evidence of the Roman military camp will be found.

Sepphoris

And there were various other towns around Sepphoris which would have been equally as good of candidates for having a Roman fort at. Why go to Nazareth, which is off the beaten path, to build a fort? Strategically, it makes very little sense.

And when you are basing your opinion on just one possible (possible being a very key word here, as simply, the evidence is not stacked up to back up your statement. You have one small piece of shaky evidence that simply has not been substantiated by any real scholars) idea that really isn't being supported by anything. The sources that you've given to back up your claim are not scholarly, and as we have seen, are filled with problems.

Basically, you're making a conclusion based upon a pipe dream, and then claiming that it is fact and that in the future, it will be proven to be true. That simply doesn't work.

 

[Tellurian]

Basically, you're making a conclusion based upon a pipe dream, and then claiming that it is fact and that in the future, it will be proven to be true. That simply doesn't work.

It worked for the claims regarding the city of Troy before it was uncovered. The Roman bath house is just the first step in uncovering the rest of the Roman military camp.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

It worked for the claims regarding the city of Troy before it was uncovered. The Roman bath house is just the first step in uncovering the rest of the Roman military camp.

I wish that you would read this very, very slowly: the other Nazareth digs have uncovered no other Roman buildings, much less any other evidence of a first century Roman camp or city. Period.

I would be interested to know if there were any Roman camps anywhere in Galilee or even in all Israel in the Roman period. I don't even think that the Jews were initially conquered by the Romans - they went to Rome and made a deal to live under Roman rule without a war.

Then the Jews did have puppet kings that were under Roman control and there was a Roman garrison in Jerusalem and perhaps an outpost or two in other cities... but the Romans ruled by intimidation - they would come if needed they meant business.

The difference between Troy and Nazareth is there were no ongoing excavations of the city with people making extreme, unfounded claims that are already historically implausible.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Apparently you are forgetting the actions of the messiah, Judas of Galilee, who led a revolt against the authorities in the early first century. Judas and his forces captured the city of Sepphoris, about 3 miles from the Nazareth location. The Romans came and attacked the city burning it to the ground. A new Roman city was built there, and it became the capitol of the Galilee until the year 19 CE when the capitol was moved to the new city of Tiberius. That would explain why there was a Roman military camp at nearby Nazareth to help rebuild and defend the city of Sepphoris before Tiberius was built. When more excavating is done beneath the city of Nazareth more evidence of the Roman military camp will be found.

Sepphoris

Obviously. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Apparently you are forgetting the actions of the messiah, Judas of Galilee, who led a revolt against the authorities in the early first century. Judas and his forces captured the city of Sepphoris, about 3 miles from the Nazareth location. The Romans came and attacked the city burning it to the ground. A new Roman city was built there, and it became the capitol of the Galilee until the year 19 CE when the capitol was moved to the new city of Tiberius. That would explain why there was a Roman military camp at nearby Nazareth to help rebuild and defend the city of Sepphoris before Tiberius was built. When more excavating is done beneath the city of Nazareth more evidence of the Roman military camp will be found.

Sepphoris

Think carefully now. Were the actions of the messiah, Judas of Galilee BEFORE or AFTER the birth of Jesus?

Jeez.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Those poor Romans, getting their butts kicked by the messiah Judas in Seppporis WHILE THERE WAS A HUGE CAMP ALREADY THREE MILES AWAY.

This lack of thought is borderline offensive.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Those poor Romans, getting their butts kicked by the messiah Judas in Seppporis WHILE THERE WAS A HUGE CAMP ALREADY THREE MILES AWAY.

This lack of thought is borderline offensive.

O foolish Angellous, they were all busy raping Mary to help their friends in Sepphoris.

Judas stopped of in Nazareth to enjoy the bath at the Roman camp. He liked Mary, too.

So no one really knows how Jesus's father was.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

O foolish Angellous, they were all busy raping Mary to help their friends in Sepphoris.

Judas stopped of in Nazareth to enjoy the bath at the Roman camp. He liked Mary, too.

So no one really knows how Jesus's father was.

Blasphemy!

The Roman soldiers refused to fight because they were all gay. And horny.

The same evidence that proves that there's a Roman camp in Nazareth demonstrates clearly that the Roman army there was gay and refused to fight.

So a Roman couldn't have raped her unless of course, he got bored with the women in Sepphoris and walked three miles to Nazareth to check out the night life.

And all the Romans wore bunny ears and worshipped an alien from Zarkon.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

And all the Romans wore bunny ears and worshipped an alien from Zarkon.

No, my friend.

Most of the soldiers in Nazareth welcomed Judas as their Messiah, so they were spared. They then dressed up like Jews and liberated Sepphoris.

After the Romans sobered up, they realized that Judas wasn't the messiah and retook the city.

THEN they wore bunny ears and worshipped the alien from Zarkon, the true Messiah.

 

[fallingblood]

No, my friend.

Most of the soldiers in Nazareth welcomed Judas as their Messiah, so they were spared. They then dressed up like Jews and liberated Sepphoris.

After the Romans sobered up, they realized that Judas wasn't the messiah and retook the city.

THEN they wore bunny ears and worshipped the alien from Zarkon, the true Messiah.

:bow:

 

[angellous_evangellous]

No, my friend.

Most of the soldiers in Nazareth welcomed Judas as their Messiah, so they were spared. They then dressed up like Jews and liberated Sepphoris.

After the Romans sobered up, they realized that Judas wasn't the messiah and retook the city.

THEN they wore bunny ears and worshipped the alien from Zarkon, the true Messiah.

Fellas,

It wasn't bunny ears and there is no planet Zarkon.

That's a misreading of the Nazareth inscription found on the back a 1BCE soda can.

There are a few letters missing, and it should read:

L. Gauis Zarkonius
We honor him for the funny beers

So it was Zarkon that gave the Roman military camp funny beer. That is, beer made from hops and not from wheat. The hops were brought to them from the mountains of Britania, whereas good wheat they could always get from Egypt.

 

[fallingblood]

It worked for the claims regarding the city of Troy before it was uncovered. The Roman bath house is just the first step in uncovering the rest of the Roman military camp.

But, again, there was no bath house in Nazareth during the time period of Jesus. There is no evidence of a Roman military camp here. So they can't uncover the rest of something that isn't there in the first place.

You do have a tendency to skip over most of the arguments against you. That must be easiest.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

That must be easiest.

Hey, if it works, it works.

 

[outhouse]

that and we know romans were there at a later period but only for a short while

 

[angellous_evangellous]

that and we know romans were there at a later period but only for a short while

Catch me up man.

"There" = at Nazareth?

"a short while" = how long?

 

[outhouse]

yes romans were in Nazareth and based on acheological evidence they were not there long in a few different periods.

during the jewish insurrection of 67AD when they laid it to waist

and we have the bath house that was later



and the oil lamps 70-180ad

and some later lamps and the mosaic floor that was later in time

 

[Tellurian]

I wish that you would read this very, very slowly: the other Nazareth digs have uncovered no other Roman buildings, much less any other evidence of a first century Roman camp or city. Period.

Modern Nazareth is a city of more than 200,000 residents over an area of about 5.5 square miles. There have been no excavations beneath the homes and businesses of most of the residents. Ground radar has shown that the Roman bath house is much larger than the portion excavated so far, but the rest of the site lies beneath the property of others who are not interested in allowing excavations beneath their property. There is a LARGE Roman bath house there, then there must be evidence also to be found as to where the soldiers lived. The big problem is getting permission to dig.

I would be interested to know if there were any Roman camps anywhere in Galilee or even in all Israel in the Roman period. I don't even think that the Jews were initially conquered by the Romans - they went to Rome and made a deal to live under Roman rule without a war.

The Romans came into the area because of their ongoing war with the Parthians. The Romans stayed there in order to defend the territory from any more Parthian invasions in the future.

Then the Jews did have puppet kings that were under Roman control and there was a Roman garrison in Jerusalem and perhaps an outpost or two in other cities... but the Romans ruled by intimidation - they would come if needed they meant business.

Roman intimidation did not stop Galilean Zealots from attacking the Romans, their camps, and the cities. Sepphoris was one victim of the Zealot attacks. Josephus wrote in his works about commanding soldiers at Sepphoris.

The difference between Troy and Nazareth is there were no ongoing excavations of the city with people making extreme, unfounded claims that are already historically implausible.

Another big difference between Troy and Nazareth is there was no settlement with people living on top of the site at Troy. The presence of a large Roman bath house already found in Nazareth shows that the claims of it being a Roman military camp site are not "unfounded".