No more immigrants please!

[Viker]

Well we are not killing people as fast as they are being produced.
Population is still rising.

And you are right overpopulation will eventually fix it self.
I just don't like the suffering which is build into this 'solution'.

We need another plague. A big nasty one.

 

[Vinayaka]

We need to replace the word 'growth' in such phrases as 'economic growth' with stability. The goal should be to stabilize everything as it is ... population, forests, included There are many not so drastic shifts in thinking that would totally alter things. When you drive through the American midwest and all you see is corn corn corn ... for two reasons only, cattle feed and ethanol, neither of which is very helpful to the planet, well, you can feel the problem.

 

[lunakilo]

We need another plague. A big nasty one.

:tsk:
Don't say such things.

 

[Viker]

:tsk:
Don't say such things.

One with zombies and crazy redneck rampages.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Those people have lived on that island by themselves for 1000 years. They're not under any obligation to give their country to the rest of the world

 

[Viker]

Those people have lived on that island by themselves for 1000 years. They're not under any obligation to give their country to the rest of the world

Who and which?

 

[lunakilo]

One with zombies and crazy redneck rampages.

Whar are you? A selfish american?
We already established that Europe would not survive zombies

 

[Viker]

Whar are you? A selfish american?
We already established that Europe would not survive zombies

Europe can be repopulated later. I saw it in a movie. Everything will be okay afterward.

 

[Flankerl]

Oh i just have to post this picture...

 

[9Westy9]

yet more neo-liberal lies.

Immigration 'not linked to jobless' - Yahoo!

UK is over-run with immigrants these days - very hard to get a job whether qualified or not - even cleaning the toilets at McDonalds.

another lie posted here in that the amount of immigrants has no effect whatsoever on the amount on unemployment.

I mean, come on! How stupid do you have to be to buy that one!

More immigrants means lower wages thus more benefits for the rich.

About time they kicked Cameron out and banned any more immigration to the UK plus bring forward an immigrant tax.

Mass riots in the UK last year by disaffected youth - fairly obvious all this had a lot to do with it.

any views?

We get the **** out of the EU so we can actually stop the immigrants from coming in.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It is hard to find a British family that did not emigrate here at some time in history. And the rest have inter married.
We are total mongrels.

If you can offer something others want, you have the potential to be employed, or to be in business.
no one has ever owed us a living.

At the moment times are tough , but they have been tough before...
True it sorts the men from the boys, but it is no time to be giving up.
Incomers only take the jobs we do not compete for.... at any level.....

 

[nnmartin]

To understand why the UK is suffering requires some level of understanding on how economies work. A lot of people do not have this understanding, so they are in effect ignorant of the causes until they are informed in a way they can understand.

Ok, enlightenment, views, opinions then please?

or should I just head down my local library and study up on economic theory first?:sarcastic

 

[nnmartin]

I think immigration improves a country and drives it forward.
The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned.

ok, so what about the mass of unemployed youth then?

 

[nnmartin]

Hello Mr. Pot. Have you seen Mr. Kettle around lately?

Sure, a lot of people are out of work, a lot of them are too picky to take "just any job". So why shouldn't immigrants fill in for these elitists and keep the economy running? Immigrants may actually be unsung heroes. They are likely paying for and making possible many of those unemployment benefits, makes many others seem ungrateful, whiny and dependent, i.e. spoiled.

Sounds fine in theory but, as a general example, what happens when there are always 100 people available for every type of 'just any job' ? There will be 99 people out of work. Before the immigrants there were only 50 people looking.

How can the immigrants be paying for anything if they do not bring money into the country - they prevent a local from working who then may have to go on benefits so there is no net gain. Yet no doubt the immigrant sends money back to their home country - a net loss to the national economy in fact.

Note: I am not blaming the immigrants, rather the powers that be and their acolytes.

don't you see your right wing propaganda is just what the corporate and business greed mongers want you to think!

I've known quite a few people back home who used to have this attitude as well, until the time came when they were selected for the unemployment line!

It's all about the culture of greed and me first.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Sounds fine in theory but, as a general example, what happens when there are always 100 people available for every type of 'just any job' ? There will be 99 people out of work. Before the immigrants there were only 50 people looking.

What happens when your customer base increases a hundredfold? You'd have to hire on hundreds more staff just to increase production and meet the demand! Before the immigrants, there were only 50 people demanding your products.

 

[nnmartin]

Incomers only take the jobs we do not compete for.... at any level.....

that may be true but it is still clear that they drive the wages down.

You can still compete for a job yet when you get it your salary is less - to keep up the profits of the rich.

I am sure that if you had to take a big pay cut because of this you would not be so keen on the system.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

that may be true but it is still clear that they drive the wages down.

How do you figure?

A large corporation would be able to close its factory in one country and move to another, and this is going to be reflected in how much they pay for labour in your country. If there's a group of people out there who are willing to work for a tenth of what you make, do you really think it matters to the free market which side of an imaginary line they're on?

 

[nnmartin]

What happens when your customer base increases a hundredfold? You'd have to hire on hundreds more staff just to increase production and meet the demand! Before the immigrants, there were only 50 people demanding your products.

completely irrelevant as there is still a higher percentage of local workers out of a job - they will not become customers.

The newcomers are only spending the money earned that would otherwise have gone to a local worker.

 

[Mcshane22]

I would say outsourcing jobs here in the U.S poses a larger problem then immigrants taking jobs that not many are competing for.

 

[nnmartin]

that should be stopped as well.

too much chasing of profit to oil the wheels of the already rich and corrupt.