No RELIGION = No MORALS?

[Atheologian]

Did I, at any point, say that my God is the best or real God? You make a lot of stupid assumptions. Assumptions that aren't worth countering.

Your "reason" lacks the necessary skill of comprehension.

why else would he have the right to invade the lands of other people?

 

[TheKnight]

No, it's not skewed at all. Two cowards sent women out in their place, to be raped and killed.

At what point did he say "Rape and kill" them? He simply offered them.

And it's hardly ignorace, your god is not the best, the coolest, the most real or the holiest. He's only the one that YOU believe in.

Umm...I know that already. Your baseless assumptions are annoying.

why else would he have the right to invade the lands of other people?

What? That question isn't coherent. Nothing you say is coherent. And, since I have recently developed a policy of not talking to those who lack the ability of comprehension and coherency, I shall add you to my ignore list. Congrats, you're doing so well in your first few days. I can only wonder how long it will be until you have gotten yourself banned.

By the way, you're an upstanding member of the Atheist community and you represent them well [/sarcasm]

 

[TheKnight]

double post

 

[Atheologian]

What is there to ignore? God destroyed people who's destruction was warranted. As I have said in other threads, if God is freely sustaining life, then He holds the right to, at any time, cease that sustenance for any or no reason. Just as if I were to provide you with free electricity from my power company, and then decide to stop giving you that electricity.

think about that statement, and then tell me you don't agree with pushing your god on other people.

 

[Atheologian]

At what point did he say "Rape and kill" them? He simply offered them.



Umm...I know that already. Your baseless assumptions are annoying.


What? That question isn't coherent. Nothing you say is coherent. And, since I have recently developed a policy of not talking to those who lack the ability of comprehension and coherency, I shall add you to my ignore list. Congrats, you're doing so well in your first few days. I can only wonder how long it will be until you have gotten yourself banned.

By the way, you're an upstanding member of the Atheist community and you represent them well [/sarcasm]

basically, when you have no argument, you just hurl insults. Good Christian...
Just because you don't want to accept a fact, it doesn't make that fact "incoherent" or "ignorant"
and what do you suppose I would get banned for? Huwting yo feewings?

 

[TheKnight]

basically, when you have no argument, you just hurl insults. Good Christian...

I knew you couldn't read... I'm not even a Christian.

 

[Atheologian]

I knew you couldn't read... I'm not even a Christian.

could have fooled me, or anyone else for that matter. You act just like one.


Originally Posted by TheKnight
What is there to ignore? God destroyed people who's destruction was warranted. As I have said in other threads, if God is freely sustaining life, then He holds the right to, at any time, cease that sustenance for any or no reason. Just as if I were to provide you with free electricity from my power company, and then decide to stop giving you that electricity.

 

[Atheologian]

The fact is, that the Bible is full of autrocities, genocide, rape, torture, the endorsement of racism, slavery and oppression. You can't argue that, because the proof is the very thing you claim to be holy. So, you just say it's "ignorant" and the arguments are "incoherent". Meanwhile, you justify genocide by suggesting, God was just collecting the power bill.

Talk about incoherent and ignorant...

 

[Atheologian]

In fact your first post was an insult. Have you ever said anything intelligent in this forum? Or has it basically just been you telling other people how ignorant they are?

 

[Atheologian]

Okay, so where were we... we know people don't get their morals from the bible, escept for TheKnight, who endorses slavery and genocide, so what effect would the absence of other religions have on other parts of the world?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Should I keep going?
Or should I move on to another chapter?

The ancient Israelites were told that 7 nations would be abandoned by God. General Joshua defeated those enemy nations not out of ruthless conquest or greed. It was because those 7 nations had become full of idolatry, bloodshed, and perverted sex practices. Those nations were the ones killing their children in sacrificial fires (Num 33:52; Jer 7:31). Because of justice God was compelled to remove such wickedness out of the land. As Abraham knew, God was willing to spare any who would abandon wickedness and serve him.
(Genesis 18:23-31)

 

[Atheologian]

The ancient Israelites were told that 7 nations would be abandoned by God. General Joshua defeated those enemy nations not out of ruthless conquest or greed. It was because those 7 nations had become full of idolatry, bloodshed, and perverted sex practices. Those nations were the ones killing their children in sacrificial fires (Num 33:52; Jer 7:31). Because of justice God was compelled to remove such wickedness out of the land. As Abraham knew, God was willing to spare any who would abandon wickedness and serve him.
(Genesis 18:23-31)

Once again, by who's standards. God's? What you are saying is that the Israelites were fine with slavery and murder and rape and incest, but for God's sake, don't worship idols or be gay. What a merciful God...

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

Wicked and depraved by what standards? You mean like mutilating the genitals of children and forcing women into slavery?

Well, one example of the kinds of things the Canaanites were doing is burning their own newborn babies. I don't think circumcision is a bad thing. It's still a commonly performed operation today. I'm not sure where exactly there were women being forced into slavery, but that is not right. I'm sure the Israelites did things that were evil too.

 

[Atheologian]

Well, one example of the kinds of things the Canaanites were doing is burning their own newborn babies. I don't think circumcision is a bad thing. It's still a commonly performed operation today. I'm not sure where exactly there were women being forced into slavery, but that is not right. I'm sure the Israelites did things that were evil too.

The israelites were sacrificing their own children as well, what of it?
Why didn't god smite the sinners in their case?

In fact, it was god demanding that his people sacrifice their children, at least twice in judges

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

The israelites were sacrificing their own children as well, what of it?
Why didn't god smite the sinners in their case?

In fact, it was god demanding that his people sacrifice their children, at least twice in judges

Well, I don't know. I wasn't there. But I'm quite confident we're not seeing the whole picture.

Could you point me to the places in judges. I'd like to have a look. Thanks.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

"Their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods." God always blames the women; it is they who "go a whoring" and then "make" the men "go a whoring." 34:16

God explains how to go about selling your daughter -- and what to do if she fails to please her new master. 21:7

God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7

After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29

Exodus (21:7-11) shows the slave could marry the master's son and be treated with the due rights of daughters. There was to be no diminishing of her sustenance, clothing or marriage due. Failure on the son's part could entitle the woman her freedom. He could not sell her.
Also under the Mosaic law daughters were to inherit- Numbers 27.

There were laws governing a master-slave relationship. The slave was to be treated as a hired laborer (Exo. 21:2; Lev. 25:10; Deut 15:12) and released after 7 years. When the slave was set free the master was to give him a gift to assist him getting a new start. (Deut 15:13-15). Often it was because of war, poverty or crime that reduced a person to slavery not capture.

Exodus (11:7) says when the children of Israel went out from Egypt they would not be allowed to suffer any harm from man or beast , dogs would not snarl or move their tongue against them.

Exodus (12:29) does Not say only babies. People of all ages have first born children. Your great grandparents had a first born. Firstborns do not remain babies. Pharaoh had plenty of warning beforehand. Israel (4:22,23) was God's firstborn and look what the Egyptians did to God's firstborn nation.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17

need more????

Are you using the word child as if talking about a minor child?
Verse 14 says man. Man would be an adult child .

Deut. (21:18-21) also shows it is not a minor child being discussed because it mentions the child as being a glutton and drunkard.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Slavery is approved by God, and those who steal slaves must be killed. 21:16

21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

notice how killing your slaves doesn't warrant the death penalty, like talking back to your parents?

I can go on... this is just Exodus. Wait till Judges, it gets really good.

If someone kidnaps a man and sells him, that man doing the stealing is to be executed. So how does God approve of kidnapping if the kidnapper is put to death?

21:20 yes if a slave died because of striking him the master was punished.- (Lev 24:17; Numbers 35:16-18) Most masters would not want to kill a valuable slave. If a slave did not die at the time of the strike it could Not be proven the intent was murder.

A slave was to be set free for mistreatment (Exodus 21:26,27) Also, slaves did Not work on the Sabbath- ( Ex 20:10; Deut 5:14.) Slaves were always freed after 7 years of service or earlier if someone could pay the debt for them.

 

[Atheologian]

King David participated in the sacrifice of seven men at the beginning of a barley harvest with an eye towards ending famine in the land.
There was famine in the kingdom of David for three years. When David asked God what he could do about it. God explained that it was because of bloodguilt on Saul because he put the Gibeonites to death.
1Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David sought the face of the LORD. And the LORD said,"There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death." (2 Sam. 21:1)
So David called for the Gibeonites and wanted to know what he could do to expiate for what Saul did.
2So the king called the Gibeonites. Now the Gibeonites were not of the people of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; although the people of Israel had sworn to spare them, Saul had sought to slay them in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah.
3And David said to the Gibeonites, "What shall I do for you? And how shall I make expiation, that you may bless the heritage of the LORD?" (2 Sam. 21:2-3)
The Gibeonites replied that it was not a matter of money. What they wanted was seven of Saul's sons so they may hang them. David agreed.
4The Gibeonites said to him, "It is not a matter of silver or gold between us and Saul or his house; neither is it for us to put any man to death in Israel." And he said, "What do you say that I shall do for you?"
5They said to the king, "The man who consumed us and planned to destroy us, so that we should have no place in all the territory of Israel,
6let seven of his sons be given to us, so that we may hang them up before the LORD at Gibeon on the mountain of the LORD." And the king said, "I will give them." (2 Sam. 21:4-6)
David picked two of Saul's sons and five of his grandsons. They were hanged on the mountain before God, at the beginning of the barley harvest.
7But the king spared Mephibosheth, the son of Saul's son Jonathan, because of the oath of the LORD which was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul.
8The king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore to Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Merab the daughter of Saul, whom she bore to Adri-el the son of Barzillai the Meholathite;
9and he gave them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them on the mountain before the LORD, and the seven of them perished together. They were put to death in the first days of harvest, at the beginning of barley harvest. (2 Sam. 21:7-9)

 

[Atheologian]

Here's a great example of the acknowledgement of other gods in the bible
After the time of Solomon, the kingdom of Israel split up into two kingdoms, Israel and Judah.
When the kings of Israel and Judah were wining their invasion against the Moabites, the Moabite king made a burnt offering of his oldest son. A great wrath came upon Israel and they had to withdraw. In effect, the Moabite god, Chemosh, defeated Yahweh.
26When the king of Moab saw that the battle was going against him, he took with him seven hundred swordsmen to break through, opposite the king of Edom; but they could not.
27Then he took his eldest son who was to reign in his stead, and offered him for a burnt offering upon the wall. And there came great wrath upon Israel; and they withdrew from him and returned to their own land. (2 Kings. 3:26-27)