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No Self-Hating Name as "Indigenous Persons Day" - Keep Columbus Day

What is the proper name for the second Monday in October?


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jbg

Active Member
Last Sunday, I was talking to a few of my friends, and mentioned stuff that happened over a previous Columbus Day Weekend. Someone "corrected" me, saying it is "Indigenous Persons Day." I snapped at him, saying, "I am sick and tired of being told we're bad people, that we don't belong here." I feel that there have been many movement of peoples around the earth, and the primitive people almost always lose the argument.

I also feel that smallpox, diphtheria and typhoid, originally spread by de Soto's horses left being, deserve a large share of the blame. The book 1491: The Americas Before Columbus by Charles C. Mann posits that horses and rats were that vector and suggests that much of North America's Native American population was reduced by 90% to 98% by the spread of those diseases. In other words the migrant European population found far fewer Native Americans than had existed half a century before. If the native population was dense enough to have the famous major Aztec, Mayan and Inca cities and in the Midwest cities such as Cahokia, there was enough population to support transmission of highly contagious diseases.

It's a given that Africa and Asia largely held European invaders at bay; the Americas' and Australia's did not. European presence and penetration in Africa and Asia, on the same landmass, was quite minor, like likely because the population was dense and its leadership relatively intact. Smallpox, diphtheria and typhoid raced through the native populations in the Americas, Australia and New Zealand. In addition to the numbers killed, their leadership was decapitated, resulting in disorganization. I would like the shamers of relatively advanced Europeans to at least be honest.

We have the right to be here, and we are imperfect, but good. The Aztecs and Mayas were nothing to write home about.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
We raped, murdered and conquered them through force and subversion while subsequently & underhandedly pushed them out of their traditional lands. Then continued, and still do, to break most of the governmental promises that were made to them like water and land rights. Then we forcibly took their children away, placed them in boarding schools and beat them for speaking their mother language. Then when they died from neglect, they just buried the kids in mass graves and didn't bother to tell the families.

I've met grandparents who were in these schools and are still traumatized from being in them.

All because we feel we have the right to "make everyone be like us".

The true barbarians are us in this instance.

So yes IPD is not a bad thing. Columbus can be taught in history, but he does not need a day of celebration. We don't have a Hitler day, we have a Holocaust Remembrance Day.
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
Columbus day simply is the name to celebrate Europeans coming to a new land for a better life. It isn't praising the bad things that followed. IPD doesn't even make sense really.
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
It's not whether or not it's praising it.

As it is tacitly celebrating what was essentially slaughter and attempted genocide.
It's celebrating Europeans coming to a new world for a better life. Indigenous peoples day doesn't even make sense
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
I suppose if anybody knows the name of the fisherman who was on Columbus's ship we could name the day after him but that'd be kind of silly wouldn't it?
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
No I guess we can't name the day after anybody who was on the ship because they followed the orders of Columbus to enslave native Americans and murder them after an uprising. Maybe we can call it new world day so we can at least celebrate us coming here.
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
We should probably change the name of Christmas too then. I mean look at all the bad things Christians have done
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
Idk I'm just spitballin. There's no doubt that Columbus was a fruit loop and did horrendous things. It's probably better we don't call it Columbus Day but indigenous people's day is kind of lame too. I mean we did do bad things to them. So I think we should probably call it new world day or something to celebrate coming to the New world and to celebrate the native people here too as well
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
Its kinda like celebrating a successful robbery...

"Yeah, we took some stuff, and we did some things wrong, but hey, look where we are now! Party it up, man!"

It seems super condescending, in my opinion.
Eh I'm sure some good-hearted people just wanted a better life.
 
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