No Self-Hating Name as "Indigenous Persons Day" - Keep Columbus Day

[Jimmy]

Hypothetically, I wonder how native Americans would've treated a lesser evolved human civilization if it was planted into the Americas. I'm guessing it wouldn't have been nice givin' the sick times and delusional forms of justice across the globe.

 

[Jimmy]

Personally I don't even believe this time actually took place. But I do see how it affects people today unfortunately. Yeah Columbus is probably a bad name choice

 

[Jimmy]

Id have to say it isn't a self hating name op. It does reflect our hatred of a sick man though

 

[Father Heathen]

So we're not allowed to celebrate coming here for a better life?

Sure, but how about doing so without also commemorating perpetrators of genocide?

 

[Jimmy]

Oh when I mentioned the uprising in an earlier comment that was a very well warranted native uprising

 

[Jimmy]

Sure, but how about doing so without also commemorating perpetrators of genocide?

Is it a bad thing to remember?

 

[Soandso]

Pandoras box has been opened and it's too late to try and hide what was exposed for all to see. Christopher Columbus was an evil man. It's time to relegate this man to history books and the time has definitely come to stop heaping undue praise on his name

 

[Jimmy]

Sure, but how about doing so without also commemorating perpetrators of genocide?

Yeah I agree probably not to use his name but maybe we should. Maybe we should be reminded of the sicko

 

[Father Heathen]

Last Sunday, I was talking to a few of my friends, and mentioned stuff that happened over a previous Columbus Day Weekend. Someone "corrected" me, saying it is "Indigenous Persons Day." I snapped at him, saying, "I am sick and tired of being told we're bad people, that we don't belong here." I feel that there have been many movement of peoples around the earth, and the primitive people almost always lose the argument.

I also feel that smallpox, diphtheria and typhoid, originally spread by de Soto's horses left being, deserve a large share of the blame. The book 1491: The Americas Before Columbus by Charles C. Mann posits that horses and rats were that vector and suggests that much of North America's Native American population was reduced by 90% to 98% by the spread of those diseases. In other words the migrant European population found far fewer Native Americans than had existed half a century before. If the native population was dense enough to have the famous major Aztec, Mayan and Inca cities and in the Midwest cities such as Cahokia, there was enough population to support transmission of highly contagious diseases.

It's a given that Africa and Asia largely held European invaders at bay; the Americas' and Australia's did not. European presence and penetration in Africa and Asia, on the same landmass, was quite minor, like likely because the population was dense and its leadership relatively intact. Smallpox, diphtheria and typhoid raced through the native populations in the Americas, Australia and New Zealand. In addition to the numbers killed, their leadership was decapitated, resulting in disorganization. I would like the shamers of relatively advanced Europeans to at least be honest.

We have the right to be here, and we are imperfect, but good. The Aztecs and Mayas were nothing to write home about.

I'm confused how an Italian explorer from five centuries ago became "we" today, nor how acknowledging Columbus' misdeeds somehow make "us" bad.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yeah I agree probably not to use his name but maybe we should. Maybe we should be reminded of the sicko

Of course, but remembering isn't the same as celebrating.

 

[Jimmy]

Pandoras box has been opened and it's too late to try and hide what was exposed for all to see. Christopher Columbus was an evil man. It's time to relegate this man to history books and the time has definitely come to stop heaping undue praise on his name

Any other man in his position would’ve done the same thing. Mostly all the men were evil back then

 

[Jimmy]

Of course, but remembering isn't the same as celebrating.

Then why are we calling it indigenous peoples day after what we did to them? Weird

 

[JustGeorge]

Then why are we calling it indigenous peoples day after what we did to them? Weird

In honor of all who were harmed, I believe.

 

[Soandso]

Any other man in his position would’ve done the same thing. Mostly all the men were evil back then

Yah, nah. That's a cop out. We don't celebrate evil men

 

[Jimmy]

Of course, but remembering isn't the same as celebrating.

Then why are we calling it indigenous peoples day after what we did to them? Weird

 

[Jimmy]

Of course, but remembering isn't the same as celebrating.

Part of me thinks we should still keep it Columbus Day and teach children what he did the bad things he did and celebrate the good things about us coming here for a better life and to also celebrate the Native Americans and the good things that we did with them. I don’t think we have to hide from his name. Eh either way. There’s other days like indigenous peoples day we remember the bad that we did, Black History Month we remember the bad things about slavery or 9/11 remembrance day we remember the bad. we can have Columbus Day and remember the bad can’t we? Or is his name the reason why? is it someone’s name that gets under people skin and makes it more personal? Probably not. I mean who do you think about on 9/11? Anyone bad?

 

[Father Heathen]

Then why are we calling it indigenous peoples day after what we did to them? Weird

Because it's celebrating the people and their culture rather than celebrating a man who committed terrible wrongs against their ancestors.

 

[Jimmy]

Well it’s been interesting to spitball wheather the name Columbus should be banned across the board

 

[Father Heathen]

Part of me thinks we should still keep it Columbus Day and teach children what he did the bad things he did and celebrate the good things about us coming here for a better life and to also celebrate the Native Americans and the good things that we did with them. I don’t think we have to hide from his name. Eh either way. There’s other days like indigenous peoples day we remember the bad that we did, Black History Month we remember the bad things about slavery or 9/11 remembrance day we remember the bad. we can have Columbus Day and remember the bad can’t we? Or is his name the reason why? is it someone’s name that gets under people skin and makes it more personal?

We didn't starting colonizing The Americas until 100 years after Columbus. There are already holidays that are more relevant in that regard, like Thanksgiving and such. And again, nobody is suggesting that Columbus be scrubbed from history; remembering =/= commemorating.

 

[Jimmy]

We didn't starting colonizing The Americas until 100 years after Columbus. There are already holidays that are more relevant in that regard, like Thanksgiving and such. And again, nobody is suggesting that Columbus be scrubbed from history; remembering =/= commemorating.

Commemorating is remembering