No Self-Hating Name as "Indigenous Persons Day" - Keep Columbus Day

[Father Heathen]

Commemorating is remembering

So you can't remember something without celebration and relevance?

 

[Jimmy]

So you can't remember something without celebration and relevance?

Commemoration isn’t celebration

 

[LuisDantas]

I just don't understand why Indigenous People's Day would be some form of "self-hate".

But if it were, the implication would be that the celebrators are in some form foes of the indigenous people, would it not?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Columbus didn't discover the Americas, he didn't land in what would become the United States, the land isn't named after him and he was known among his peers to be generally ineffective and a terribly mean and cruel man.
Why celebrate someone who did nothing?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Commemorating is remembering

Everyone remembers Hitler. Only very flawed and bigoted people commemorate him.

 

[Jimmy]

Columbus didn't discover the Americas, he didn't land in what would become the United States, the land isn't named after him and he was known among his peers to be generally ineffective and a terribly mean and cruel man.
Why celebrate someone who did nothing?

Everyone remembers Hitler. Only very flawed and bigoted people commemorate him.

Oops just looked up commemoration. I was wrong

 

[Jimmy]

Sure, but how about doing so without also commemorating perpetrators of genocide?

Who says we have to commemorate him?

 

[The Hammer]

So we're not allowed to celebrate coming here for a better life?

Honestly, I see nothing to celebrate. Would have preferred Europe

 

[Jimmy]

Columbus didn't discover the Americas, he didn't land in what would become the United States, the land isn't named after him and he was known among his peers to be generally ineffective and a terribly mean and cruel man.
Why celebrate someone who did nothing?

I believe Columbus Day celebrates the day he arrived in the Americas in 1492

 

[Jimmy]

Honestly, I see nothing to celebrate. Would have preferred Europe

It was getting over crowded

 

[Jimmy]

Honestly, I see nothing to celebrate. Would have preferred Europe

Move there then

 

[The Hammer]

It was getting over crowded

Still is too. But my roots, history and Ancestors stem from there. So there will always be a longing to be in my "homeland".

 

[Jimmy]

Still is too. But my roots, history and Ancestors stem from there. So there will always be a longing to be in my "homeland".

Mine too but I feel no longing need for “homeland”. I live in the Midwest now. I was born and raised in New England. If anything New England is my “homeland” I do miss it a lot

 

[Jimmy]

Still is too. But my roots, history and Ancestors stem from there. So there will always be a longing to be in my "homeland".

I’m American. I’m not Irish I’m not Portuguese I’m not English not French I’m not PolishI’m not German I’m not Native American

 

[Jimmy]

Still is too. But my roots, history and Ancestors stem from there. So there will always be a longing to be in my "homeland".

I think I’d feel like an idiot living in any of those countries

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I believe Columbus Day celebrates the day he arrived in the Americas in 1492

He landed in the Bahamas and was such a buffoon he thought he was in India with all thise tigers and elephants and peacocks and actual Indians nowhere to be found.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Still is too. But my roots, history and Ancestors stem from there. So there will always be a longing to be in my "homeland".

Yup. Myself, I kind of look like my Irish great grandmother and Ireland is doing better about not tolerating religious abuse (like when they closed the Vatican Embassy).
Add as I know very little of where I was born and never felt I belonged where I grew up and call home a place where I regularly hear languages I don't understand so I might have a different view on such things than most Americans.

 

[danieldemol]

Last Sunday, I was talking to a few of my friends, and mentioned stuff that happened over a previous Columbus Day Weekend. Someone "corrected" me, saying it is "Indigenous Persons Day." I snapped at him, saying, "I am sick and tired of being told we're bad people, that we don't belong here."

Celebrating indigenous people doesn't mean you are a bad person who doesn't belong in my view.

The discovery of America by Europeans was the start of many disasters for indigenous people. To me it just seems sensitive not to remind them of it every year. Let's celebrate indigenous contributions instead.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The discovery of America by Europeans was the start of many disasters for indigenous people.

Didn't seem that bad when the Norse of all people landed here first. They don't even appear to have spread beyond their settlement in Newfoundland and they didn't stay long either.

 

[Callisto]

It's celebrating Europeans coming to a new world for a better life. Indigenous peoples day doesn't even make sense

Then why isn't it called Leif Erickson Day? Europeans were in America and Canada centuries before Columbus rolled in.