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.lava
Veteran Member
it is really outrageous. but would you explain how 'men are so pathetic' equals 'religion is the cause'?
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Father Heathen
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Yes. They even stone rape victims to death for "adultery". And the funny thing is, there are people here on RF who will actually accuse you of racism for denouncing such cultural practices.
.lava
Veteran Member
i assume you're telling me. yes, i agree men uses religion as their tool to make people become servants to their pathetic egos. so they are servants of their egos. that's the exact opposite of what religion invites people to.
people are born with free will and everyone has the right to use it. it is nobody's business to give another what God gave them from birth. that's what i've learned from Islam and that's what we pactice.
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twinmama
Member
"An Afghan women rights group say that last year, almost 500 women chose death or disfigurement to a life of despair by setting themselves on fire to escape forced marriages, slavery or sexual and other types of abuse. For those who live through this form of suicide"
Rights Groups Say Afghan Women Committing Suicide at Alarming Rate
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Afghan women seek death by fire
Rights Groups Say Afghan Women Committing Suicide at Alarming Rate
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Afghan women seek death by fire
Bloomdido
Member
Parents brainwash their children into their beliefs. If the parents don't get them, the faith schools will. That is child abuse. Free will requires the parents and educators to stay away from religion and teach freedom of thought until the child is old enough to choose. It will be a long time in coming.
.lava
Veteran Member
so you would just sit back and do nothing if your child...say...torture an animal??
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Bloomdido
Member
Yes, distinctly odd. Not teaching religion would produce a generation of animal torturers.
.lava
Veteran Member
that's not about what i am saying. one way or another you have to teach your child values and they would be values you believe in. religion is for human and therefor i find all humane values inside my religion. each person has vices of ego and each vice has its exact opposite aka virtues of Spirit. religion teaches me virtues as it also shows me vices of my ego and i would, of course, teach my kid, if i had any someday, about what i've learned, so i can offer a humane and loving individual to our society. i would be a bad parent and very bad person if i did not teach him what's humane and what's not.
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Bloomdido
Member
What is your religion? Do values not exist outside of religion? I am an athiest and I believe that all animals are equal. The bible teaches that humans are 'above' other animals and that is just plain wrong.
Stellify
StarChild
I think all .lava was saying in her earlier post (below) was that the kind of men who condone and encourage these kinds of laws are monsters anyways, and you can't necessarily blame their religion for the sadistic things they do. Kind of like the "guns don't kill people, people kill people by using guns" argument.
And .lava, I think I agree with the earlier quote that religion should not be a part of government and law. Simply because even if the religion itself is good, people will still use it as a tool, twist it and corrupt it, to bring about their own wishes.
.lava
Veteran Member
my religion is Islam. since each human has a conscience values would have chance to exist everywhere. but to make it completed you need help of God.
i would not say animals and humans are equal because they are not. humans can choose, animals can't. it is again about vices and virtues. animals have their own nature and they do what they are supposed to do. humans always have two choices, they either follow their conscience or their egos. perfect human being, someone who has no more vices is above any creature. but at the same time, human who's servant of his vices is lower than any creature. noone would blame a lion for killing a human being but we would blame and label the person as murderer. killing is in nature of wild animals but they are not murderers. people on the other hand chose to kill or not. therefor i can not say animal and human are equal. no, animals are innocent no matter what they do. people are innocent if they (at least try to) do the right thing.
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.lava
Veteran Member
the point is all the laws come from a belief. even if laws of government are not classified as 'religion', they are still a belief system. laws of governments are also used or abused as a tool to bring about their own wishes. men are still the same men. abusive men are still abusive regardless what belief system they work for.
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Stellify
StarChild
I understand what you mean. And as I said in my previous post, monsters are monsters, no matter what religion they follow. But I think that when you twist religious beliefs, the followers of that religion (the ones who are abusive themselves) tend to follow with a fanaticism that you wouldn't see with a government system that didn't include religion.
Just my opinion, though
I have no trust on what the media say about Afghanistan.
The media misinterpret everything there.
The media misinterpret everything there.