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.lava

Veteran Member
I do think it is totally PARANOID and SCHIZOPHRENIC that Muslims consider it a threat. After all if Sharia Islam is such a flawless and perfect legal system, how on earth, could any logic or alternative compete with it.

so going into a war zone where society is miserable, living in very bad conditions...offering them medicine, clean water...etc and try to convert them to some other religion IS logic? that's taking advantage of their misery!

btw, yes, law of Allah is PERFECT yet noone really applies it to society.





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Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
so going into a war zone where society is miserable, living in very bad conditions...offering them medicine, clean water...etc and try to convert them to some other religion IS logic? that's taking advantage of their misery!

btw, yes, law of Allah is PERFECT yet noone really applies it to society

I agree with you 100% about how it's taking advantage of misery. I disagree with you 100% about Sharia law. But that's getting off-topic. We'll leave that for another thread.
 

.lava

Veteran Member
I agree with you 100% about how it's taking advantage of misery. I disagree with you 100% about Sharia law. But that's getting off-topic. We'll leave that for another thread.

note that you do not know Sharia. since not even one single nation applies it today. yea...another topic...:) OK.






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Sahar

Well-Known Member
Yes. They even stone rape victims to death for "adultery". And the funny thing is, there are people here on RF who will actually accuse you of racism for denouncing such cultural practices.
When someone expresses his hatred to entire people and whenever he has the chance to express his bigotry, he doesn't hesitate, while he is holding that he is superior to others as he belongs to a more superior world, he deserves to be accused of this.

Perhaps, we would agree on denouncing certain practices but you don't want to see us agreeing, you don't want to UNDERSTAND the other.
Speaking as if Muslims support punishing a raped girl, how many support something like this? How many do this? A few? Or corrupted governments that don't represent their peoples?!
 
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Alceste

Vagabond
I do think it is totally PARANOID and SCHIZOPHRENIC that Muslims consider it a threat. After all if Sharia Islam is such a flawless and perfect legal system, how on earth, could any logic or alternative compete with it.

"Muslims", as far as I know, don't consider secular education a threat any more than "Christians" consider universal health care coverage a threat.

I think that in the interest of having a productive discussion with the Muslims on this forum, it is better not to stereotype. Islam, like Christianity and Judaism, is not one single set of beliefs. There is a "version" of Islam to suit just about anybody, just like there is a version of Christianity and Judaism that suits just about anybody. You don't know which version .lava subscribes to, so the statement above is pretty rude considering she is participating in this discussion. Which Islamic sect are you referring to?

It reminds me of my conversations with British conservatives when I was living in England. They constantly complained that "immigrants are ruining the country and stealing our jobs", without for half a second stopping to consider they were speaking to an actual, factual job-stealing immigrant.

IMO, "immigrants are ruining the country" is a socially acceptable English euphemism for "I hate non-white, non-English speaking people". They didn't stop to think they were dissing "immigrants" to an actual immigrant because I'm white, and I speak English. They assumed I'd subscribe to the same euphemistic racism because I belong to the same race, and they assumed I'd recognize that when they are talking about "immigrants", they're not talking about me.

The conclusion is that in fact it is flawed, fragile and an antiquated system very prone to collapse. The goal posts are moving again, so now its the West vs all Muslims, how naive...

I don't think it's naive. The two nations most recently attacked and occupied by predominantly Christian Western armies happen to be predominantly Muslim countries. In light of this fact, it's more than reasonable to consider the possibility that the motive for the attack and occupation might be religious in nature.

And it is. In my opinion, though, it's not the religion of "Christianity" against the religion of "Islam", it's the religion of "Capitalism" against the religion of "Autonomy". It just so happens that in this case the Christians are fighting for capitalism and the Muslims are fighting for autonomy.

But in shifting the goal posts Islamists seem to conveniently forget, The Taliban's Sharai Law public executions, beheadings hangings and lethal stonings at the soccer stadium, in Kahbul, the acid attacks, honor killings the ABSOLUTE REPRESSION OF WOMEN.

You might not have noticed this development, but the Taliban is no longer in power. Also, the term "Islam" and the term "Taliban" are not interchangeable any more than the term "Republican" and the term "Christian" are interchangeable. Not everybody resisting the occupation in Afghanistan is "Taliban". Most are just fighting for dignity, freedom and autonomy, same as you would if your country was invaded by a foreign army.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
i said law of Allah is perfect. it is a few replies away :)





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Well, I suppose I don't get how you go from one to the other. If religious law is written into state law - so that governments can impose whatever they think God's law is on other people by force - it becomes the law of man, not the law of God. I agree with you that the laws of God (as far as I believe there is a God) are infallible, but I think the laws of man are an offense to God. For men to force others to obey God suggests they do not have faith that God can inspire and guide people directly.

Edit: on further consideration and a beer (it is the weekend, after all - going on a raping binge in a few minutes) I see that all I've done with this post is affirm that my own cultural roots are Protestant, although I don't consider myself a Christian.
 
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.lava

Veteran Member
Well, I suppose I don't get how you go from one to the other. If religious law is written into state law - so that governments can impose whatever they think God's law is on other people by force - it becomes the law of man, not the law of God. I agree with you that the laws of God (as far as I believe there is a God) are infallible, but I think the laws of man are an offense to God. For men to force others to obey God suggests they do not have faith that God can inspire and guide people directly.

i agree...no oppression is allowed in law of God. it is ego of men.





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Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
Edit: on further consideration and a beer (it is the weekend, after all - going on a raping binge in a few minutes) I see that all I've done with this post is affirm that my own cultural roots are Protestant, although I don't consider myself a Christian.

If you're drinking that urine Coors Light, I can see how you'd want to rape something.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
Ugh...You guys actually drink that up there?
Gross :areyoucra

Oh no lol. We have much better tastes than that lol. Personally, I use it as a rust-remover/urine-substitute for those everyday instances where I need a bottle full of **** for assorted errands.
 

Stellify

StarChild
Oh no lol. We have much better tastes than that lol. Personally, I use it as a rust-remover/urine-substitute for those everyday instances where I need a bottle full of **** for assorted errands.
Good. :yes:
I've heard rumors of people overseas actually drinking some of the crap we brew here....and for higher prices because it's imported. It blew my mind.
I mean....Miller, Coors, Bud? Really?! :facepalm: They're horrible!
I would much rather have a nice La Fin du Monde, Golden Draak, or Chimay Grand Reserve...ANY day. :drool:
 
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