No -- There is No Fraud at All!

[Rival]

After years of being told that the 2016 election has hacked by Russia in favor of Trump, I can only conclude that Mexico is somehow responsible for hacking the 2020 election for Biden.

This is stupid. Don't tell me you actually believe all that fake news.

It was obviously the UAE.

 

[Kenny]

After years of being told that the 2016 election has hacked by Russia in favor of Trump, I can only conclude that Mexico is somehow responsible for hacking the 2020 election for Biden.

ROFL... we need to start an investigation!

 

[sun rise]

Don't you think there is the 10% visible iceberg effect of 90% that isn't uncovered?

no

 

[Salty Booger]

ROFL... we need to start an investigation!

I have no doubt the mainstream media will be right on it, as will congress.

 

[Ratt Blastard]

This is stupid. Don't tell me you actually believe all that fake news.

It was obviously the UAE.

Nope, it's Jhina's doing.

 

[exchemist]

Generally speaking, so many people say that fraud isn't prevalent... as if in the United States there is nothing but saints all over doing great things.

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud -

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud

"Brunner allegedly submitted voter registration applications for 67 residents without their signature or effective consent, while purporting to act as their agent."

She was a Democrat but there are Republican fraudsters too

Republican Pleads Guilty To Attempted Election Fraud With Mail In Ballots

Do you think fraud is more prevalent than we think?

Ah yet more disinformation (to put it politely) from Ken, I see.

Well, what I think is based on what the US Electoral Commission thinks.

CNN has this: Federal Election Commission official: "There really has been no evidence of fraud"

"Ellen Weintraub, with the Federal Election Commission, wants Americans to know that "there really has been no evidence of fraud" in the election this year.

"State and local officials and poll workers throughout the country really stepped up. And there have been very few complaints about how this election was run," Weintraub told CNN Saturday morning. "Very few substantiated complaints, let me put it that way. There is no evidence of any kind of voter fraud. There is no evidence of illegal votes being cast. In fact, and you don't have to take my word for it, because people throughout the country, nonpartisan election experts, have come out and handled this election and how it was run."
Weintraub added: "There really has been no evidence of fraud. None of the complaints have attached any evidence of fraud."


Of course, it is entirely possible, I suppose, that Ellen Weintraub is part of the notorious deep state paedophile conspiracy...................

 

[Kenny]

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud -

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud

CNN has this: Federal Election Commission official: "There really has been no evidence of fraud"

There is no evidence of any kind of voter fraud. T

Somehow there seems to be a dichotomy of terms of what "fraud" actually means.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Despite the claims I've made in this thread, I wanted to say I'm not overly far left. Debates are just awkward sometimes because you kind of have to slip into a side. Two middle men debating... I've never really tried that, so I'm not sure how it would work.

Not all problems have Trump to blame. I think the impeachment trial was destructive to the nation and that that destruction is kind of the Speaker's, not Trump's, fault.

Now I do think Trump was guilty of the charges. But that the evidence and charges weren't strong enough to impeach based on their own merit, leading to a partisan display of rhetoric, headed by people like Schiff, who rather than presenting the facts, talked for hours about what he thought our forefathers said and meant.

This is actually one of the reasons I wanted to see Biden in office. The tension between Pelosi and Trump is so much, that I'd have to leave my TV and internet off for three weeks while the second impeachment trial gets settled.

 

[Kenny]

Of course, it is entirely possible, I suppose, that Ellen Weintraub is part of the notorious deep state paedophile conspiracy...................

Talking about conspiracy theories

Opinion | Trump’s Tweeting Isn’t Crazy. It’s Strategic, Typos and All.

If you are not a NY Times subscriber... here is a summary:

New York Times pilloried for ‘conspiracy theory’ op-ed claiming Trump’s Twitter typos are strategic ‘code’ messages

Trumps tweets are a code....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BUAHAHAHAHA

 

[Twilight Hue]

Generally speaking, so many people say that fraud isn't prevalent... as if in the United States there is nothing but saints all over doing great things.

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud -

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud

"Brunner allegedly submitted voter registration applications for 67 residents without their signature or effective consent, while purporting to act as their agent."

She was a Democrat but there are Republican fraudsters too

Republican Pleads Guilty To Attempted Election Fraud With Mail In Ballots

Do you think fraud is more prevalent than we think?

Of course. We are talking about human beings here.

Fraud is a givin. Not an exception.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I am sure that Trump is an expert on fraud..

But I doubt there is any organised fraud at all.
However individual fraudsters inevitably exist
And will always do so.
It is not a significant problem, and has never been shown to affect the result of an election in the USA.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have no doubt the mainstream media will be right on it, as will congress.

Well. The losing side anyways.

 

[Kenny]

Of course. We are talking about human beings here.

Fraud is a givin. Not an exception.

The way some people talk, you think that we are filled with saints and yet the prisons are full of people who exemplify otherwise.

IMO, it is a lot more prevalent because we don't have strict guidelines. It's too loosey goosey imo

 

[Twilight Hue]

The way some people talk, you think that we are filled with saints and yet the prisons are full of people who exemplify otherwise.

IMO, it is a lot more prevalent because we don't have strict guidelines. It's too loosey goosey imo

I would think automated systems would be the best prevention but then those system creators would be targeted.

 

[tytlyf]

She was a Democrat but there are Republican fraudsters too

You don't have proof of that. It's a Trump county, odds are a republican fraudster.
There were no ballots involved, the lady was sending in voter registration requests for people at the senior home.
Key word, "Registration". No votes, no Bidens or Trump. Registration.

 

[Valjean]

Generally speaking, so many people say that fraud isn't prevalent... as if in the United States there is nothing but saints all over doing great things.

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud -

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud

"Brunner allegedly submitted voter registration applications for 67 residents without their signature or effective consent, while purporting to act as their agent."

She was a Democrat but there are Republican fraudsters too

Republican Pleads Guilty To Attempted Election Fraud With Mail In Ballots

Do you think fraud is more prevalent than we think?

*First off, this is one one incident, not 67 or 134. The article was unclear exactly what these 134 counts were, or what the attempted fraud was.
*Second, there appears to be no mens rea; no intent to break the law or cast illegal votes.
*This was not an attempt to vote illegally or vote multiple times. The charges seem to stem from a social worker's request for registration applications for her/his clients in an assisted living facility.
*I see no allegation that the clients would have filled out the applications illegally. Had they done so, the application would presumably have been denied and the client not registered.
*Another interesting question, is there any allegation that the clients would all have registered for a particular party, or that the social worker would have filled out the applications herself?
*And finally, how the client chooses to vote -- all alone in the voting booth, or with the assistance of a registered poll worker -- is his/her choice alone.

So where's the attempt to defraud?
Why are these mere applications for a registration form such a dangerous threat to democracy? They're not even the forms themselves, and actual voting is a whole different issue.

When I first moved here I was approached at a street fair by a woman with a clipboard full of actual registration forms, not just applications for one. I filled one out -- all of two minutes -- and a couple weeks later my registration card appeared in my mail. Was this some nefarious plot? I'll bet if I'd had a clipboard and volunteered, she'd have handed me a bunch of forms so I could help people get registered myself.

 

[Windwalker]

i could be wrong. It might be a spoof communication.

Then why are you repeating them? You have a responsibility to the truth, not the spread of rumors and false reports. You are responsible for spreading disinformation and unproven allegations as "news". I find it disheartening, Ken.

 

[Kenny]

Then why are you repeating them? You have a responsibility to the truth, not the spread of rumors and false reports. You are responsible for spreading disinformation and unproven allegations as "news". I find it disheartening, Ken.

Yes... you have been on that road for some time now.

 

[Valjean]

Actual voter fraud -- attempts to vote illegally -- are vanishingly rare; never enough to affect an election, yet Republicans have convinced people that it's widespread and a serious threat.

There have been multiple investigations into this -- they all conclude that it's a non-issue.

Of the real threat to Democracy, voter suppression, you hear nothing, even from mainstream media, yet it's responsible for hundreds of thousands of missed votes, most from presumed Democrats.

The sources in this case are solid, but you hear nothing from the Right -- perhaps because the Right are the perpetrators.

 

[Kenny]

*First off, this is one one incident, not 67 or 134. The article was unclear exactly what these 134 counts were, or what the attempted fraud was.
*Second, there appears to be no mens rea; no intent to break the law or cast illegal votes.
*This was not an attempt to vote illegally or vote multiple times. The charges seem to stem from a social worker's request for registration applications for her/his clients in an assisted living facility.
*I see no allegation that the clients would have filled out the applications illegally. Had they done so, the application would presumably have been denied and the client not registered.
*Another interesting question, is there any allegation that the clients would all have registered for a particular party, or that the social worker would have filled out the applications herself?
*And finally, how the client chooses to vote -- all alone in the voting booth, or with the assistance of a registered poll worker -- is his/her choice alone.

So where's the attempt to defraud?
Why are these mere applications for a registration form such a dangerous threat to democracy? They're not even the forms themselves, and actual voting is a whole different issue.

When I first moved here I was approached at a street fair by a woman with a clipboard full of actual registration forms, not just applications for one. I filled one out -- all of two minutes -- and a couple weeks later my registration card appeared in my mail. Was this some nefarious plot? I'll bet if I'd had a clipboard and volunteered, she'd have handed me a bunch of forms so I could help people get registered myself.

One incident of 67 voting attempts. How many did we not catch?