No -- There is No Fraud at All!

[Shadow Wolf]

Do you think fraud is more prevalent than we think?

We only ever find a few incidents. Because it's a pretty tight system.
To confirm widespread fraud we'd have to find multiple elections with unusually high incidents of fraud, rather than our consent findings of isolated incidents. And as we've found this year when people are on very high guard, it hasn't been a massive amount nor have we found examples that could impact an election. Perhaps maybe the fake ballot collection ballots in California, because this one we just don't really know how many ballots were involved or what happened to them, and there was a close race for Senate were at least location had fraudulent boxes (and being in California it obviously had no impact on the EC outcome for the state even if all ballots were for Biden or Trump).
It turns out it's actually very difficult to commit voter fraud. And not only that, the payout is terribly small for such a high risk/high penalty. As for the social worker, just consider that she was caught even before there could be any effect on the election.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This is stupid. Don't tell me you actually believe all that fake news.

It was obviously the UAE.

For abit over a year now I have seriously wondered what fake stuff they have in UAE, after someone from there told me he thinks I sound like I'm from Texas.

 

[Kenny]

Proof?

I believe my information was correct... there was an amicus brief submitted today at the Supreme Court at 5pm

https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-sou...-al---final-with-tables.pdf?sfvrsn=e8b821a6_2

I believe the very simplified summary is simply that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ended up legislating from the Bench taking away the due legislative process

 

[Heyo]

What I find remarkable is that Trump even could spout his conspiracy theory without being laughed off the stage.
And the answers were equally remarkable. "It hasn't happened that often."
The answer should have been "Here is the process. It is airtight. It has been developed in a bipartisan effort."

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

One incident of 67 voting attempts. How many did we not catch?

It has been pointed out those were not voter attempts.
Why are you persisting in spreading false rumours?
What is your agenda?

It seems that there were no unlawful votes cast or counted.
The system is robust enough to pick up the slightest irregularities and correct them before any are counted. Even clerical errors are picked up before they are tabulated. There are not even any cases of reported personation. Which was common before the present systems were in place.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I believe my information was correct... there was an amicus brief submitted today at the Supreme Court at 5pm

https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-sou...-al---final-with-tables.pdf?sfvrsn=e8b821a6_2

I believe the very simplified summary is simply that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ended up legislating from the Bench taking away the due legislative process

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"An amicus brief is a legal document that can be filed in an appellate court case by people who are not litigants in the case but have an interest in the case or subject matter"

It is in effect just a request for permission to speak on a subject where you are not the party bringing the case, but consider your self an interested party.

It is not a statement of fact, nor is it proof of anything. It is no more than a third party opinion.

I can do BIG too, and pretty colours


What they are saying in effect is that postal ballots have in the past been
fraudulently submitted. Therefore all postal votes are at risk of fraud. therefore postal votes should not be counted.

They rely on statements such as this
"the News21 database, which was compiled to refute arguments that voter fraud is prevalent, found 491 known and reported cases of absentee ballot fraud over the 12-year period from 2000 to 2012— approximately 41 cases per year."

They include no evidence at all that any fraudulent voting of any kind took place in PENNSYLVANIA during this election.

 

[Valjean]

I believe my information was correct... there was an amicus brief submitted today at the Supreme Court at 5pm

https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-sou...-al---final-with-tables.pdf?sfvrsn=e8b821a6_2

I believe the very simplified summary is simply that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ended up legislating from the Bench taking away the due legislative process

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Fraud Happens. It's not a "tight system ( sorry SW). But it's rare, because there's little benefit in it and great risk.

The Democrats don't really need to meddle with the system. The majority of the population supports their policies -- even if they're unaware of this. If everyone voted, even given the very successful Republican propaganda against particular candidates, "socialism," and "left-wing radicals," The Republicans would be history.

For the Republicans, on the other hand, elections are a life and death affair; and Republicans are organized; they're long-range strategic planners, they've developed methods to suppress the votes of demographics likely to vote democratic. These are well documented, and exclude hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of voters.

These schemes are frequently reported in the alternative press, but rarely make it to prime time.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's not a "tight system ( sorry SW)

It's not as easy as what many people think.
And those able to pull of it with any certainty, as you mentioned it's of little benefit so they're probably more likely to be selling stolen IDs anyways. Or whatever else pays in utilizing the abilities to pull it off.
And, yes, I would say it's a tight system with many states verifying ID at multiple points, with enhancements from the numerous ways to get caught doing it, and made even better with the "natural barrier" that makes it unattractive for anyone more than a fool who won't be swaying the election even if they succeed.
And, if anything, what this election has shown us it may not be the ballots that are counted. It may be getting the ballots there to be counted, and ensuring they get counted.

 

[metis]

We are seeing many Republicans that have been working with voter tabulation in the states saying that there is no evidence of any significant voter fraud, but many other Republicans now attacking them.

The reality is clear: Trump repeatedly said before the election that there is no way he could lose unless there was fraud, thus many of his blind followers have drunk his kool-aid and are merely just parroting him. Whatever fraud there might be, and there's likely to be some somewhere, is not going to give him a victory in real time.

Thus, all we're seeing now is Kabuki Theatre, likely meant to gin-up the base. But the damage it is doing to our system may last a long time, and this is morally reprehensible both under our rule of law and basic Judeo-Christian norms.

IOW, this is not a time to play games.