But it has. Did you miss the investigations -- or were they not mentioned on Fox News?I have no doubt the mainstream media will be right on it, as will congress.
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No -- There is No Fraud at All!
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Voter fraud is a high risk, low benefit crime, thus, rare.
I don't think Ken read the article very carefully, or failed to understand it.
Father Heathen
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It's like the moths that were drawn to the dumpster fire's flames don't know what to do with themselves now that they've been extinguished.
There were ZERO voting attempts! Read the article!
What fraud do you think was attempted?
Can I say both 'yes' and 'no'?
Voter fraud exists everywhere. Whilst I think some naively don't believe this to be so, I also think it's important to separate individual instances of fraud with systemic fraud, or election rigging.
So yes, voter fraud is more common than some think. But I don't think the US elections are being impacted holistically by domestic voter fraud based on my best assessment of evidence.
I wonder why.
Salty Booger
Royal Crown Cola (RC)
Because she was caught....There were ZERO voting attempts! Read the article!
What fraud do you think was attempted?
How many counts were placed against her? Is it because she didn't commit voting fraud?
thank you for your sincere and cogent reply.
Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation
Note that The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank.
Big risk for no reward. Quite unlike gerrymandering, caging, registration purges, &c.
Not understanding what I am saying? Personal bias? Voted for Biden? Combination? Other reason?
Thanks for the link. Yep, aware of The Heritage Foundation, and appreciate the use of conservative links. I often do the same to try and ensure I'm at least hearing both 'sides' of a story, or checking for balance.
I've had a quick hunt through of that, and couple of quick comments;
1) Great resource. Well organised and clear.
2) It kinda supports what I've read elsewhere. Of course there is electoral fraud occurring in all elections. But there does not appear to be systemic, organised fraud. Just stupid people making stupid decisions, for the most part.
3) Vigilance on this stuff is really important, and there are a bunch of changes I would personally make to the US system in the interests of not waiting until something happens to take action. The main issue with 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' is that you are guaranteeing yourself a broken wagon at some point. Some of the changes I'd think are sensible, though, would be problematic in the US for both cultural and constitutional reasons.
Thanks. I appreciate an informative, well reasoned response.
Yes -- according to the article. I can't figure out why anyone would be charged for requesting an application for anything.
Can you explain it to me?
All she did was request applications for registration, Ie: she asked for some registration forms to be sent her. Why this should be illegal is beyond me.
Anyone can walk into an Election Administration office and pick up a dozen actual applications. What possible harm can be done with an application -- much less a mere request for one?
You can walk into a Wall Mart and get an application for a hunting license. You can walk into the DMV and walk out with an application for a driver's license. You can walk into any office and get applications for whatever you want to do.
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Because she violated the law on WHO can ask for it. Some weren't even, mentally, be able to ask for it -- the law stating that such people cannot vote.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Over 100 percent findings can be an indicator on how rare it can be.
It's what I have always seen as Christian hypocrisy. It's why I left the church, while I was still a conservative...
If you listen to this song, you'll have your answer about me, Ken.
A lot of these cases are unintentional, like an X-felon who's been legally voting in one state moving to a state where a conviction renders voting illegal, or that recent scheme in Florida to suddenly cancel the previously legal registrations of X-felons who hadn't yet paid their full fines, court costs, &c. Florida moves to remove felons with unpaid debts from voting rolls - CNNPolitics
There have been students residing away from "official" home (mom and dad's house) at a different address or state, charged when they attempt to vote in the state or district they'd actually been living in for the past few semesters. There have been rich people with multiple houses who forget which one he's legally registered in and get charged for attempting to vote in the wrong state.
Usually no conspiracies or organized fraud, just mistakes.
If you want intent, though, you might look to the Republicans:
Republican Operatives Were Behind Some of the Most Egregious ‘Ballot Harvesting’ Frauds of Recent Memory
GOP congressman faces felony charges over alleged voter fraud
Is there such a law? Had all the clients been declared legally incompetent? Was she aware of it?
I saw nothing in the article about any of this.
Why would it be illegal to request applications, though? No-one had actually submitted any applications, and even if they had, what are the applications for, anyway, if not to weed out those unqualified?
As per the site:
"Under Texas law, only a parent, spouse or child who is a qualified voter of the county may act as an agent in registering a person to vote, after being appointed to do so by that person, the AG’s Office said..
None of the SSLC patients gave effective consent to be registered, and a number of them have been declared totally mentally incapacitated by a court, thereby making them ineligible to vote in Texas."