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[Ignatius A]

You don't know. It's your opinion.

no its a fact. Humans are superior to animals. Not sure how this is difficult.

 

[Subduction Zone]

AGAIN when I see a monkey perform successful heart surgery you MIGHT have a case.

I see, so you are saying that since you have never done open hearty surgery that you are no better than a monkey either.

You might have a point.

 

[Subduction Zone]

no its a fact. Humans are superior to animals. Not sure how this is difficult.

Different yes. Superior in some ways, not superior in others.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No absolutely

Yes It is both. I want my heart surgeon to NOT be a monkey. It will remain that way until a monkey can show it has the ability to successfully perform heart surgery. If you cant comprehend how a human surgeon is BETTER than a monkey surgeon then I have no other words for you.

Well, yes, I can subjectively comprehend that. But that is the point. It is not a fact, it is a subjective evaluation.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

OMG. My head is splitting. Here's how I see it - a human life is worth more than an animal life. That being said, animals do show emotion sometimes and that makes them almost, but not quite, human. I love animals but I love people more. That being said, if a person I didn't know and a dog I did know were in a fire, I'd save the person first but I'd try to save the dog too. Or a cat for that matter. An amoeba, no. I sure wouldn't risk life or limb to save it. A snake, probably not. A chicken, also probably not. But I'd be sad about the chicken. Maybe that counts for something.

See as understand, correct. But the point that it is not a fact.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But it is worth more. The fact you cant or wont see that is sad quite frankly. And all in the service of what? Do the animals feel better because you dont think you're better than them?

You can't see that see through your eyes. You understand it subjectivelty.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

LOL

I cant breath underwater but humans have learned how to breath under water with a self contained underwater breathing apparatus. Whats the progress of fish learning how to breath out of the water? To suggest humans are superior to fish is delusional which is what i said days ago that started all this silliness.

Lung fish have learnt how to breathe out of water.
Other fish have learned to survive when rivers dry up. They return to activity with the rain.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

no its a fact. Humans are superior to animals. Not sure how this is difficult.

Try saying this to a shark when you find yourself in the middle of the ocean.

Not sure they'd agree.

 

[SkepticThinker]

i havent denied any of that. None of that makes them persons. Thats you anthropomorphizing animals.

You have denied all of those things.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not me. Its quite obvious that humans are superior to and more valuable than animals.

Humans are animals.

 

[Ignatius A]

Humans are animals.

Correct. That doesn't make dogs or other species of animals a "someone" or a person.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Correct. That doesn't make dogs or other species of animals a "someone" or a person.

And it in itself does'nt make humans persons or someone as a fact. Again it is a subjective social construct and not a fact.

 

[Nakosis]

And it in itself does'nt make humans persons or someone as a fact. Again it is a subjective social construct and not a fact.

A benefit of social constructs is that they can make you feel superior.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

A benefit of social constructs is that they can make you feel superior.

Or get you killed. They are neither good or bad. They are something humans do as far as I can tell because we are indiviudals, who prefer to live in social groups.

 

[Nakosis]

Or get you killed. They are neither good or bad. They are something humans do as far as I can tell because we are indiviudals, who prefer to live in social groups.

Well, you just have to make sure you are a member of the superior group.

 

[Ignatius A]

And it in itself does'nt make humans persons or someone as a fact. Again it is a subjective social construct and not a fact.

Correct what animals are or are not has nothing to do with what we are, human persons. Someones. Glad we agree

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Correct what animals are or are not has nothing to do with what we are, human persons. Someones. Glad we agree

We don't agree.

 

[Ignatius A]

A benefit of social constructs is that they can make you feel superior.

That's true in a lot of cases however humans being superior to other animals is not a social construct.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That's true in a lot of cases however humans being superior to other animals is not a social construct.

Yeah, you don't understand subjective evaluation.

 

[Ignatius A]

We don't agree.

We should. This is a sincere question, what is the benefit of reducing humans to the level of other animals?