Noah's Arc and the Flood?

[Native]

A minor goddess, Thetis, was married to a mortal, Peleus. Out of this marriage, Achilles, the greatest Greek warrior, was born. Eris, the goddess of mischief, was not invited to the marriage feast, so into the middle of the banquet hall she threw a golden apple. The golden apple has this note: To the fairest of the goddesses. Each of the most beautiful of the goddesses- namely, Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite- claimed the golden apple.

A quarrel ensued and Father Zeus was asked to decide who was the most beautiful of the three. This placed Zeus in a predicament since Hera was his own wife and Athena and Aphrodite were his own daughters. So he parted the clouds covering Mount Olympus, the dwelling place of the gods, and showed the three goddesses a prince of Troy named Alexandros.

Zeus suggested that the three beauty contestants take their problem to Alexandros and ask him to decide. The goddesses descended upon the earth, circled Alexandros by turns, and each proceeded to bribe him so that he would award her the golden apple. Hera promised him power; Athena promised him wisdom; Aphrodite promised that she would give him the most beautiful woman in the world for his wife. Alexandros awarded the golden apple to Aphrodite.

@shunyadragon,
Here you are referring to male and female deities and connects these to Troy as if this a location on Earth. The logical question is therefore:

Do you then imagine the mentioned male and female deities to have lived on the Earth too?

 

[Native]

Aesop's fables are morality tales involving animals instead of humans.. They are considered fables not myths.

Maybe there is some difference????

Epic means a long poem, typically one derived from ancient oral tradition, narrating the deeds and adventures of heroic or legendary figures or the past history of a nation.

Legend means a traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but not authenticated.

And Mythology means a set of stories or beliefs about a particular person, institution, or situation, especially when exaggerated or fictitious.

So clearly we differentiate the above three words as: Epic: a long poem, Legend: a traditional story and Mythology: set of stories.

I mostly agree in this - with the a definitional extension of "Cosmogonic Myths" which describes how the world began and how people first came to inhabit it.

Furthermore from the same link:
"While in popular usage the term myth often refers to false or fanciful stories, members of cultures often ascribe varying degrees of truth to their creation myths. In the society in which it is told, a creation myth is usually regarded as conveying profound truths, metaphorically, symbolically and sometimes in a historical or literal sense. They are commonly, although not always, considered cosmogonical myths—that is, they describe the ordering of the cosmos from a state of chaos or amorphousness".

In our modern time, the word "myth" has unfortunately lost it´s real and deepest meaning as modern science and the industrial/materialistic world has developed.

In fact many ancient cultural Stories of Creation bears a real astronomic and cosmologic knowledge - and in some areas contains more logics than some of the modern cosmology.

 

[shunyadragon]

@shunyadragon,
Here you are referring to male and female deities and connects these to Troy as if this a location on Earth. The logical question is therefore:

Do you then imagine the mentioned male and female deities to have lived on the Earth too?

No I do not imagine anything in this context..

 

[Native]

Native said: ↑
@shunyadragon,
Here you are referring to male and female deities and connects these to Troy as if this a location on Earth. The logical question is therefore:

Do you then imagine the mentioned male and female deities to have lived on the Earth too?

No I do not imagine anything in this context..

OK, so you are just quoting an interpreted text (#174 shunyadragon, Monday at 8:23 PM) without examine logically what is says?

 

[sooda]

I mostly agree in this - with the a definitional extension of "Cosmogonic Myths" which describes how the world began and how people first came to inhabit it.

Furthermore from the same link:
"While in popular usage the term myth often refers to false or fanciful stories, members of cultures often ascribe varying degrees of truth to their creation myths. In the society in which it is told, a creation myth is usually regarded as conveying profound truths, metaphorically, symbolically and sometimes in a historical or literal sense. They are commonly, although not always, considered cosmogonical myths—that is, they describe the ordering of the cosmos from a state of chaos or amorphousness".

In our modern time, the word "myth" has unfortunately lost it´s real and deepest meaning as modern science and the industrial/materialistic world has developed.

In fact many ancient cultural Stories of Creation bears a real astronomic and cosmologic knowledge - and in some areas contains more logics than some of the modern cosmology.

Creation myth - Types of cosmogonic myths | Britannica
www.britannica.com/.../Types-of-cosmogonic-myths
Creation myth - Creation myth - Types of cosmogonic myths: The world as a structure of meaning and value has not appeared in the same manner to all human civilizations. There are, therefore, almost as many cosmogonic myths as there are human cultures.

 

[Native]

Creation myth - Creation myth - Types of cosmogonic myths: The world as a structure of meaning and value has not appeared in the same manner to all human civilizations. There are, therefore, almost as many cosmogonic myths as there are human cultures.

Well, as the CREATION of course is the same for all humans in all cultures, the very basics in all creation stories also is the same. These stories contains both physical observations and spiritual/intuitive revelations.
Read also my signature comment

 

[dad]

Even though the Bible is not literal history there is a basis in history for may of the events of history. Even though the flood as described in the Bible did not happen there was likely a catastrophic event that the account was based on,

Based on the archaeological and geology evidence, and earliest flood accounts, I believe it is related to memories of catastrophic flooding of the Tigris Euphrates River Valley. Because of the potential of wide spread catastrophic flooding in these valleys up to hundreds of square miles can be flooded particularly in the lower flood plain and delta, it could appear to the people in the valley as the world was indeed mostly covered in water.

I will provide archaeological and geology (geomorphology) references to support this.

There were floods after Noah's flood. Many were catastrophic. That is no reason to try and wave away the great flood.

 

[dad]

Each flood deposition in the Tigris Euphrates Valley is distinct, bounded and dated. No, they do not extend byond the vally. More references that document this will follow.

We know how you date things. You misread patterns by applying your beliefs to them.

 

[shunyadragon]

We know how you date things. You misread patterns by applying your beliefs to them.

Nothing of substance here to respond to.

 

[shunyadragon]

There were floods after Noah's flood. Many were catastrophic. That is no reason to try and wave away the great flood.

There is absolutely no evidence for the great flood described in the Bible.

 

[shunyadragon]

OK, so you are just quoting an interpreted text (#174 shunyadragon, Monday at 8:23 PM) without examine logically what is says?

No logic necessary. The references simply describes some of the mythology found in the Iliad and the Odyssey indicating that that this literature contains mythology and factual foundation.

I make no interpretation other simply referencing the facts found in the reference.

 

[dad]

There is absolutely no evidence for the great flood described in the Bible.

I don't believe you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't believe you.

But he is right. Too bad that you refuse to learn what is and what is not evidence. You cannot even begin to refute his claim.

 

[dad]

But he is right. .

You are wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are wrong.

If I really was wrong you would not feel the need to edit my post in your quote. Your own actions refute your claim.

 

[Native]

No logic necessary. The references simply describes some of the mythology found in the Iliad and the Odyssey indicating that that this literature contains mythology and factual foundation.

I make no interpretation other simply referencing the facts found in the reference.

Ok then. But the "referenced facts" are hugely misinterpreted where geological locations are mixed up with ancient myths which belongs to celestial realms.

 

[Native]

dad said: ↑
There were floods after Noah's flood. Many were catastrophic. That is no reason to try and wave away the great flood.

There is absolutely no evidence for the great flood described in the Bible.

Yes there is in fact, but this Great Flood NEVER ran ON the Earth, but (it STILL runs) up in the Sky. The very looks of the Milky Way band was, amongst other, compared with a geographic river and described as such. The scholarly interpretation of a "divine revenge over humans" is nonsense and made up these two reasons:

1. The human fear of real geographical floods and maybe even tsunamis which killed lots of people. This of course caused humans to remember such floods and to believe these were a "revenge from God". Which also is nonsense.
2. The scholarly lack of mythical language and especially the lack of accepting the mythical content to describes the ancient cosmos, including the Milky Way appearance, described by our ancestors as a GREAT RIVER in the night Sky.

 

[shunyadragon]

Ok then. But the "referenced facts" are hugely misinterpreted where geological locations are mixed up with ancient myths which belongs to celestial realms.

I do not interpret the mythology of the Iliad and Odyssey with other mythology.

 

[shunyadragon]

I don't believe you.

You need not believe me. The nature of our physical existence and the geology and geomorphology of the earth is easily confirmed by the objective verifiable evidence. You simply look at the evidence if you do not believe the hundreds of years of research and discoveries.

 

[dad]

You need not believe me. The nature of our physical existence and the geology and geomorphology of the earth is easily confirmed by the objective verifiable evidence. You simply look at the evidence if you do not believe the hundreds of years of research and discoveries.

Physical evidence does not tell us what forces used to exist. Geology interprets layers and patterns and all things in the light of its beliefs. Then you want to call that objective and anything else subjective. The reverse is true.

Looking at thing objectively is deined like this.

"in a way that is based on facts and not influenced by personal beliefs or feelings:"

Your feelings and beliefs totally influence how evidence is viewed.