Noah's ark...

[mikkel_the_dane]

Possibly but I think not, because garden of Eden is described as occupying portion of the land, ie. Adam and Eve were cast out to the east of a garden, therefore the world was bigger than just a garden.

No, that the story is not about the world, but only local about a local couple.

 

[ChristineM]

the word "world" for ancient people meant entire place where they lived.
places that were beyond were often described as inhabited by evil spirits so most didn't dare to go beyond.

nobody was aware of the entire earth or how big the world is.
therefore that flood is more likely to apply for the ancient meaning of the "world"

Consider fluid dynamics. For water to cover the highest mountain it first needs to spread across the entire world and build up in that fashion.

Hence the reason bathtubs have sides.

 

[blü 2]

Whole cities, cultures, populations have disappeared, been lost over the last 2000 years.

Why would you think a wooden ship would survive and be found?

On the one hand, wooden ships thousands of years old have been found eg >this< and >this<.

On the other, the evidence against a Noah's Ark, which involves a flood that covers Mt Everest 25 feet deep, and two animals of every kind (or seven pairs, or whatever) with their food for a year, is overwhelming. We know there was never such an event or anything vaguely resembling it ─ it would require a billion cubic miles more water than is presently on the earth, and that's just for a start. Regional floods along rivers are the most likely explanation for such tales.

 

[Brian2]

Yet a little global warming will sink many places.
There is supposedly enough water in earth to cover earth. Not to mention many more times that in space/the universe.
The question becomes is there enough water to cover earth? Certainly! But did it happen?

George Washington didn't know dinosaurs existed, even though they did.

It is interesting about all that water in the earth's mantle isn't it.
I think that is where the water came from that produced the ocean in the early earth history.
I don't think there was a flood that covered all the high mountains of the earth (eg Mt Everest) but I do think there was a flood that covered all the high hills in that area that Noah lived in. Evidence has been found for that just as there is also evidence for large floods in other parts of the earth at around the same time, the end of the last ice age.
It seems that the flood story can be translated for a large local flood and if God wanted to destroy the excess of evil in other parts of the world the other floods could have done that also.

 

[Clara Tea]

Whole cities, cultures, populations have disappeared, been lost over the last 2000 years.

Why would you think a wooden ship would survive and be found?

I don't believe that Noah's ark exists now.

Is it possible that Noah's ark still exists? I don't think so.

Is it possible that Noah's ark existed shortly after it landed? I don't think so.

All of the land was flooded, and it took time for the flood waters to soak into the ground and evaporate into the air. If there was that much water before, it must have evaporated off the planet and into space. We seem to be still evaporating some water.

So, what happened to Noah's ark? Well, it was made of wood, and with the world flooded, most of the wood would have been under water. So, whatever building materials they had were rare and valuable. The needed to build new homes. Furthermore, there was no wood for heat. So they needed to scrap the ark for heat and shelter. Later, as the waters went down, and trees started to grow again, they might have repurposed some of the wood to make other objects.

Over time, wood might rot (dry rot, wet rot, termites, wood chewing ants, etc).

So, there is little chance that an entact ark still exists.

Scientists are "supposed to" reserve judgement until they have to believe. Theists, on the other hand, believe because of proof-less faith. This means that they might believe anything. This is why theists are constantly being duped by politicians to get votes. They fall for the lines that they will save babies from abortion, and end up making wars, destroying the environment, and ruining the economy (while ignoring the poor, and making more poor out of the middle class).

So, when a "possible ark" is found, theists jump on that as a real ark. But it isn't until it is proven so. Scientists might later date the wood (by various methods).

One method of dating wood that is thousands of years old is looking for halflives of radioactive materials that the wood had when it was made. At the time that the tree made the wood, it made it out of carbon. But, carbon is radioactively not stable. It is composed of various isotopes (different amounts of neutrons). Thus, Carbon 12, and Carbon 14 might be available in certain amounts. When Carbon breaks down, it turns into some element that is not carbon (so you can tell that the wood is a certain age because the ratio of isotopes has changed.

Another, more recent, way of dating wood is lining up the tree rings against other trees. If you can find a succession of tree rings, in various trees, that spans thousands of years, you will have a reliable (down to the correct year) way of dating wood.

So, they date the prospective ark, and find that it could not be the real ark. This has happened many times. But scientific studies generally don't impress theists.

For example, the shroud of Turin has been dated and it could not possibly (barring a miracle of God) be the burial shroud of Jesus. Yet, theists persist in insisting that it is/was.

Some scientists don't use scientific methods. Hale (who built observatories), in his dotage, said that elves told him to build the telescopes (little green men???). Lowell (who built an observatory) said that he wanted to see the martians who built the canals of Mars (Gallileo said that they were lines....canali in Italian....not canals). Neil De Grasse Tyson said that we are in a virtual world (like the Matrix movie). So, we can't always trust people even if they are scientists.

But at least there are legitimate scientists working on dating ancient materials and ancient sites. So, there is some hope that they will get it right some day.

 

[Clara Tea]

On the one hand, wooden ships thousands of years old have been found eg >this< and >this<.

On the other, the evidence against a Noah's Ark, which involves a flood that covers Mt Everest 25 feet deep, and two animals of every kind (or seven pairs, or whatever) with their food for a year, is overwhelming. We know there was never such an event or anything vaguely resembling it ─ it would require a billion cubic miles more water than is presently on the earth, and that's just for a start. Regional floods along rivers are the most likely explanation for such tales.

It was a miracle that animals entered the ark two by two with their mates. If God made miracles, maybe one was to feed all those animals.

Where did the fresh water fish live? Where did the saltwater fish live? Maybe God made a lot of miracles to make everything work?

 

[Clara Tea]

It is interesting about all that water in the earth's mantle isn't it.
I think that is where the water came from that produced the ocean in the early earth history.
I don't think there was a flood that covered all the high mountains of the earth (eg Mt Everest) but I do think there was a flood that covered all the high hills in that area that Noah lived in. Evidence has been found for that just as there is also evidence for large floods in other parts of the earth at around the same time, the end of the last ice age.
It seems that the flood story can be translated for a large local flood and if God wanted to destroy the excess of evil in other parts of the world the other floods could have done that also.

I agree.

 

[Clara Tea]

"Many scientists". 10? 100? 573?
What type of scientists? I wouldn't expect many botanists to know or care. Nor theoretical physicists. Nor geneticists. Can you be more specific?

You are attempting to be droll, but you don't actually know what is known, do you? Do you know how water forms? Do you know how much water it would take to cover the highest mountains? Do you know the effects that much water would have on rotation? Atmospheric pressure? Heat? Plant life?

Tell me, how would that much water could be ejected off the planet? Once you figure how much water it is.

That's enough to be starting with.

For that matter, where did all of the water (ice) of the ice age go to? Even scientists know that there was an awful lot of ice at one time.

 

[Clara Tea]

Potentially is not actually. The science tells us that the stratosphere is to cold for water vapour to even exist, hence the reason water exists on earth at all. If water escaped the stratosphere then over 4.4 billion years we would be living [sic] in a desert world.

Will Earth run out of water? | AMNH

That is exactly what this website says. You are right.

 

[ElishaElijah]

What will everyone do when they find out the whole Bible, Genesis - Revelation is accurate?
The Flood, Noah’s Ark, Red Sea, Abraham, Jesus Christ rising from the dead, Paul didn’t change the Gospel message, How everything God does is right and holy, that every word of God is true. I’m going with The Word of God instead of what man has to say who is less than 100 years old and still doesn’t have clue what the definition of a woman or man is, or that a baby in the womb is a separate human being that should be protected, or how to prevent pregnancy. Have we actually even gotten to the depths of the Ocean yet? How far have we drilled through the Earth?

 

[Clara Tea]

the word "world" for ancient people meant entire place where they lived.
places that were beyond were often described as inhabited by evil spirits so most didn't dare to go beyond.

nobody was aware of the entire earth or how big the world is.
therefore that flood is more likely to apply for the ancient meaning of the "world"

I agree. I think that Noah's flood (if it existed) was a local phenomenon, and probably not of the magnitude described.

I also think that the parting of the Red Sea might have been some natural drop in sea level at a certain time of day.

 

[KWED]

Whole cities, cultures, populations have disappeared, been lost over the last 2000 years.

Why would you think a wooden ship would survive and be found?

I don't.

 

[Clara Tea]

What will everyone do when they find out the whole Bible, Genesis - Revelation is accurate?
The Flood, Noah’s Ark, Red Sea, Abraham, Jesus Christ rising from the dead, Paul didn’t change the Gospel message, How everything God does is right and holy, that every word of God is true. I’m going with The Word of God instead of what man has to say who is less than 100 years old and still doesn’t have clue what the definition of a woman or man is, or that a baby in the womb is a separate human being that should be protected, or how to prevent pregnancy. Have we actually even gotten to the depths of the Ocean yet?

Words can be confusing.

If I am right that God is made of trillions of spirits, then the words that those various spirits use to communicate are all the same. This is because those spirits have been a part of God for a very long time, and they could not communicate unless they all chose similar words (otherwise communication would be a cacaphony of every soul talking at the same time). So, the spirits of God have had billions of years to get the wording just right.

 

[Clara Tea]

Yet water, as a vapor in our atmosphere, could potentially escape into space.

Not easily, since it freezes in certain layers of the stratosphere.

 

[KWED]

Yet a little global warming will sink many places.

Climate change could raise sea levels by several metres. The Biblical/Quranic flood would have had to raise sea levels by several thousand metres.

There is supposedly enough water in earth to cover earth.

Supposed by whom? Not by geologists.

Not to mention many more times that in space/the universe.

Ah, space rain. Of course!

The question becomes is there enough water to cover earth? Certainly!

Rubbish! Even if every bit of ice in the Arctic, Antarctic, Greenland, and every glacier melted, sea levels would only rise by about 70 metres. In order to cover all habitable land, sea levels would have to rise by several thousand metres.

But did it happen?

No. It definitely did not.

George Washington didn't know dinosaurs existed, even though they did.

You have that arse-backwards. If Washington had convincing evidence that dinosaurs existed, he would have been foolish to deny it.
We have convincing evidence that the flood never happened, therefore it is foolish to think it did.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Some links about searches for Noah's Ark and media which claim to find parts or evidence of Noah's Ark:

In Search of Noah's Ark (1976) - IMDb
Searches for Noah's Ark - Wikipedia

Whole cities, cultures, populations have disappeared, been lost over the last 2000 years.

Why would you think a wooden ship would survive and be found?

From the wikipedia article I've linked above is here a bit about US astronaut James Irwin who undertook several times to try to find the remains of Noah's Ark in Turkey. He admits that it would be unlikely for any part of a wooden ship to remain. Despite this he nearly dies looking for it:

...Irwin fully intended to try again in 1984. However, he acknowledged the possibility that the Ark might not be found. Although he firmly believed the ship had really existed, he was far less certain that it had not been destroyed over the centuries. "The likelihood of it surviving at all," he said, "is small." He also suspected that many of the reported sightings on Mount Ararat were false.[97] Nevertheless, he scaled the mountain that summer to look for the wood sighted the previous year. When he reached the site, he found only a pair of abandoned skis....​

 

[KWED]

I don't know what is or isnt possible. I do know whole cultures and city's that were once thought not to have existed, are being found to have existed

For instance?

"After decades of searching scientists have discovered that a vast reservoir of water, enough to fill the Earth's oceans three times over, may be trapped hundreds of miles beneath the surface, potentially transforming our understanding of how the planet was formed"

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/jun/13/earth-may-have-underground-ocean-three-times-that-on-surface?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#aoh=16544129260466&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jun/13/earth-may-have-underground-ocean-three-times-that-on-surface

1. Water finds its own level.
2. Even the amount cited there would not be enough to cover the entire planet to an extra depth of several thousand metres.

 

[KWED]

You seemed to have missed this......
"Was there ever more here? I don't know. Do you?"

So where did all those trillions of litres of water go? Did the dinosaurs drink it all?

 

[KWED]

One hypothesis says... But is it more or less? I don't know. Do you?

"The Earth has lost a quarter of its water"

UCSB Science Line

You forgot to quote those other answers that state the amount would be "very small".

 

[KWED]

the word "world" for ancient people meant entire place where they lived.
places that were beyond were often described as inhabited by evil spirits so most didn't dare to go beyond.

nobody was aware of the entire earth or how big the world is.
therefore that flood is more likely to apply for the ancient meaning of the "world"

But god was aware of all of it, and he designed the global flood.