Noah's ark...

[paradox]

But god was aware of all of it, and he designed the global flood.

Don't ignore that God was God of the Jews.

 

[KWED]

I don't think there was a flood that covered all the high mountains of the earth (eg Mt Everest) but I do think there was a flood that covered all the high hills in that area that Noah lived in.

Unfortunately, physics disagrees. Even if the local hills were only 200 metres high, a local flood in excess of 200 metres would have been global.

Evidence has been found for that just as there is also evidence for large floods in other parts of the earth at around the same time, the end of the last ice age.

Yes, but none of them correspond to the flood described in the Bible or Quran. The consequences of those floods would also be very different.
However, there may well have been occasions where a tribe had to build rafts for their animals and family during local floods. They may even have had to select their best breeding pair because of a lack of space. And who knows, there may have been members of the tribe who refused to build a raft and drowned.
Ancient myths sometimes have a kernel of truth at their heart.

 

[KWED]

Don't ignore that God was God of the Jews.

Indeed. Maybe the other gods prevented the Jewish god from ruining the earth with his stupid flood idea?

 

[KWED]

What will everyone do when they find out the whole Bible, Genesis - Revelation is accurate?
The Flood, Noah’s Ark, Red Sea, Abraham, Jesus Christ rising from the dead, Paul didn’t change the Gospel message, How everything God does is right and holy, that every word of God is true. I’m going with The Word of God instead of what man has to say who is less than 100 years old and still doesn’t have clue what the definition of a woman or man is, or that a baby in the womb is a separate human being that should be protected, or how to prevent pregnancy. Have we actually even gotten to the depths of the Ocean yet? How far have we drilled through the Earth?

 

[paradox]

Indeed. Maybe the other gods prevented the Jewish god from ruining the earth with his stupid flood idea?

That's not how to do exegesis.
If God was God of the Jews, then other nations are irrelevant.

All that God did, punishments and promises was for the cause of the Jews, not other nations.
Therefore if there was flood and the meaning of "earth" applied to place where Jews lived then this makes sense and helps to understand the context of scriptures.

 

[Audie]

I don't know what is or isnt possible. I do know whole cultures and city's that were once thought not to have existed, are being found to have existed

"After decades of searching scientists have discovered that a vast reservoir of water, enough to fill the Earth's oceans three times over, may be trapped hundreds of miles beneath the surface, potentially transforming our understanding of how the planet was formed"

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/jun/13/earth-may-have-underground-ocean-three-times-that-on-surface?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#aoh=16544129260466&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jun/13/earth-may-have-underground-ocean-three-times-that-on-surface

Eeewww, that again?

 

[firedragon]

Whole cities, cultures, populations have disappeared, been lost over the last 2000 years.

Why would you think a wooden ship would survive and be found?

Where was it found?

 

[ChristineM]

That's not how to do exegesis.
If God was God of the Jews, then other nations are irrelevant.

Works all ways the god of the Hebrews was/is irrelevant to other religions

All that God did, punishments and promises was for the cause of the Jews, not other nations.

Cool, lets kill tens of millions of people along with most life on earth for the cause of a few tribes thst worship me

Therefore if there was flood and the meaning of "earth" applied to place where Jews lived then this makes sense and helps to understand the context of scriptures.

Fluid dynamics shows a local flood of such magnitude is impossible.

 

[Altfish]

It's not the impossible to build at that time ship, its the total lack of evidence for a world wide flood of the magnitude described

THIS

 

[Twilight Hue]

To benefit some country's tourism industry.

Bingo!

 

[paradox]

Works all ways the god of the Hebrews was/is irrelevant to other religions

Yes, it was God's will to send Jesus and account for other nations but not before Jesus.

Cool, lets kill tens of millions of people along with most life on earth for the cause of a few tribes thst worship me

Somewhere in bible (I think Moses) says that God didn't make Jews destroy those people because of Jews but because those people worshipped idols.

Fluid dynamics shows a local flood of such magnitude is impossible.

not true for lowland.

portion of the today's EU for example was under water for a very long time, ex:
Pannonian Sea - Wikipedia

 

[ChristineM]

Yes, it was God's will to send Jesus and account for other nations but not before Jesus.

So the bible says, other religions have different ideas

Somewhere in bible (I think Moses) says that God didn't make Jews destroy those people because of Jews but because those people worshipped idols.

That really does not make it any better, in fact what it shows is that the abrahamic god was peevish and rather egocentric

not true for lowland.

portion of the today's EU for example was under water for a very long time, ex:
Pannonian Sea - Wikipedia

Yes,and that portion is enclosed by higher ground to keep the water in just like any lake. A deluge that rises water above the highest mountain (or even local hill) is not going to be constrained.

 

[exchemist]

Whole cities, cultures, populations have disappeared, been lost over the last 2000 years.

Why would you think a wooden ship would survive and be found?

Plenty of ancient vessels ( or their remains) have been found.

But since the ark story is clearly mythical, there is no point in looking for one in this case.

 

[exchemist]

Yet water, as a vapor in our atmosphere, could potentially escape into space.

The rate of escape has been estimated at about 10,000 cu metres/yr, enough to make a difference of about 10cm depth over the whole history of the earth. At least, according to physics stack exchange.

So not enough to be material.

 

[F1fan]

Whole cities, cultures, populations have disappeared, been lost over the last 2000 years.

Why would you think a wooden ship would survive and be found?

Wooden ships have survived to some degree after sinking or being covered in silt if sunk in a river. These ships are real. The Noah Ark ship is absurd and implausible, so given there's no way it could have existed there's no way the remains cold be found.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Whole cities, cultures, populations have disappeared, been lost over the last 2000 years. Why would you think a wooden ship would survive and be found?

The argument against the global flood story being historical doesn't depend on not finding the ark. There are logistical arguments (building the ark and collecting the animals, feeding them), physical barriers (ark withstanding the onslaught of thirty feet of water per hour for forty days), geological and biological arguments (insufficient water, lack of bottlenecks in genomes, loss of terrestrial vegetation), and more.

Did you ever look at data on the building of the Ark Encounters ark by Ken Ham, which cost millions of dollars to build and required thousands of men, hundreds of truckloads of timber brought to the build site in large modern vehicles, and required cranes and metal fasteners (bolts, hinges) to build?

A global flood to a depth greater than the highest mountain as described would take 80 times more water than there is on earth. Yes i worked it out .

I worked it out once as well, but came up with a different figure. The radius of the earth is about 6370 km. Add 8.85 km of water to cover Everest and the radius is almost 6379 km. Since the volume of a sphere is 4/3 pi r3, the volume of flooded earth is (4/3)(3.14)(6378.85)^3 = 1.08666469 × 10^12 = 1,086,664,690,000 km3 and the volume of the unflooded earth is (4/3)(3.14)(6370) ^3 = 1.08214805 × 10^12 = 1,082,148,050,000 km3, the difference being about 4,500,000,000 km3. This is about 3.5 times more than the total amount of water on earth, about 1,386,000,000 cubic kilometers. Does that look correct to you? Either way, it's impossible to flood the earth with the water on it. If that weren't the case, it would be flooded now.

 

[Riders]

Whole cities, cultures, populations have disappeared, been lost over the last 2000 years.

Why would you think a wooden ship would survive and be found?

It would be impossible to build let alone not possible to put thousands of animals on it and deal with feeding them and their poopoo day in and day out. There's no way. I watched a show about it that says it would be impossible to build today too and have it float.

 

[Riders]

How about animals of the sea, fish octopus, birds, they'd have to build a massive aquarium to hold thousands of sea animals and a bird sanctuary where birds could fly around. That's impossible.

 

[ChristineM]

The argument against the global flood story being historical doesn't depend on not finding the ark. There are logistical arguments (building the ark and collecting the animals, feeding them), physical barriers (ark withstanding the onslaught of thirty feet of water per hour for forty days), geological and biological arguments (insufficient water, lack of bottlenecks in genomes, loss of terrestrial vegetation), and more.

Did you ever look at data on the building of the Ark Encounters ark by Ken Ham, which cost millions of dollars to build and required thousands of men, hundreds of truckloads of timber brought to the build site in large modern vehicles, and required cranes and metal fasteners (bolts, hinges) to build?



I worked it out once as well, but came up with a different figure. The radius of the earth is about 6370 km. Add 8.85 km of water to cover Everest and the radius is almost 6379 km. Since the volume of a sphere is 4/3 pi r3, the volume of flooded earth is (4/3)(3.14)(6378.85)^3 = 1.08666469 × 10^12 = 1,086,664,690,000 km3 and the volume of the unflooded earth is (4/3)(3.14)(6370) ^3 = 1.08214805 × 10^12 = 1,082,148,050,000 km3, the difference being about 4,500,000,000 km3. This is about 3.5 times more than the total amount of water on earth, about 1,386,000,000 cubic kilometers. Does that look correct to you? Either way, it's impossible to flood the earth with the water on it. If that weren't the case, it would be flooded now.

I did volume of earth at a point 6 metres (15 cubits) above Everest as it was 4500 years ago (around 70 metres less than today ) subtract the volume of earth at sea level. Divided the result by the volume of water on earth as given by usgs. The answer came to 79.7 and some.

 

[Stonetree]

Some of what Moses 'wrote' in the Torah actually happened after he died. I'm not referencing the Ark story.Sadly, 'scripture' should be written without the capital letter. imo