Noahs Ark

[Autodidact]

And that is just about how enjoyable and enlightening any conversation with sandy turns out to be.

 

[richardlowellt]

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QUOTE=sandy whitelinger;1688669]The Biblical answer is in Genesis 7:11, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

and Genesis 8:3, "And the waters returned from off the earth continually..."

[/QUOTE]Do you have a voice of your own, or are you only capable of regurgitating biblical nonsense? No one lives for 600 years. I need a scientific or realistic explanation as to where all this water came from and were it all went. Please preach on your own time, here we need rational explanations for such an extraordinary event.

 

[Vile Atheist]

I have no idea how you guys have patience to deal with this.

 

[richardlowellt]

Space separated the waters from above from the waters below. Before that, according to Genesis 1, there was only heaven and earth, the deep, and possibly the sky.

I'm sorry but no intelligent educated person could possibly believe this.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Priceless......

But you forgot to mention that there were other civilizations in existence thriving during the time of said flood. Namely the Chinese and Egyptian......... Why weren't these people drowned in the supposed flood and why is that, from what I can tell, they don't record such an event in their writings/hieroglyphics.....

After the Flood, Nimrod set up ancient Babylon. From the tower of Babel people migrated from there and spread throughout the earth taking their pagan ideas and practices with them and spread them world wide. There is no mention of Egypt before the Flood.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The funny thing is you cannot answer without going biblical. What's even funnier is tthe fact that you think you're defending something that happened when it was physically impossible for the earth to be covered in water.

Give up!

Of course I would answer from the Bible because the questions asked are about something from the Bible. I am stating what the Bible teaches.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What's your explanation for this? Do you believe that water once flooded the earth to a depth of more than 2 miles? Or that the tops of mountains were much lower at the time they were flooded? Be specific?

Yes, it is very possible the mountains could have been lower before the Flood.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

When their creativity runs out all they have to do is refer to the omnipotence of God

Nothing like an ace of spades up your sleeve. The sad thing is the fact that they must resort to such childish and intillectually dishonest tactics to claim a moral victory they didn't deserve nor earn.

God can not do anything. God can not lie.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And how is it that there are coral fossils in many locations above sea level? Such as here in Indiana. How did a flood move corals from the bottom of seas?

Because there was no global flood. Several times in history there have been seas that existed across the midwest, and many other locations around the world.

The earth becomes much more interesting and unimaginable when you look at it from evidence. The geological and biological history of the earth is amazing!

Does the fossil record give evidence of gradual changes, or do each group of fossils appear in a different geological era?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Circular much?

Where did the water come from?
The windows of heaven.
What is a window of heaven?
Where the water came from.

During the 2nd creative period or 'day' when the earth's atmospheric 'expanse' was formed, there were waters beneath that 'expanse' and waters above it (Gen. 1:6,7) The waters 'beneath' were those already on earth. Waters 'above' were the quantities of moisture suspended high above the earth, forming this vast watery deep. It was those waters that fell upon the earth in Noah's day.

The windows of heaven would be flood gates opening causing water to fall. Rain could thus descend in channels besides as just rainfall.
Gen (8:2) they were then stopped up.

Heaven has the basic meaning of high or lofty. Mid heaven would be where the birds fly. Outer space, or the physical heavens, extends through earth's atmosphere. The spiritual heavens is where angels and God dwell.

Before the Flood the ice caps were not frozen, and as you know if they melt the water levels will rise. The sudden change in climate caused the ice caps to form.

Water drained off into the sea basins. Apparently before the Flood there was more land area, so sea basins would now be enlarged to cover 70%.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The original question here was where did the water go when it receded? It didn't have anywhere to recede to, did god open the windows again hook up the shop vac?

The waters receded into sea basins. Scientists say the continents rest on huge plates. Movement of these plates can cause changes in the level of the earth's surface. In some place there are great underwater abysses more than 6 miles deep at the plate boundaries. Movement of the plates, and the sea bottom sinking, causing great trenches to be opened, would allow water to drain off land. Perhaps before the Flood there was more land area. Plus with the freezing at the ice caps the water level would be lower. Rising water is a concern if they were now to melt.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

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Do you have a voice of your own, or are you only capable of regurgitating biblical nonsense? No one lives for 600 years. I need a scientific or realistic explanation as to where all this water came from and were it all went. Please preach on your own time, here we need rational explanations for such an extraordinary event.[/quote]

Right , today no one lives 600 years. According to Genesis if Adam had not disobeyed he could have lived forever right here on earth. After human imperfection entered the picture because of Adam's disobedience mankind could only live up to 1000 years or a thousand-year day. Even the oldest person recorded did not make it quite to 1000 years. After the Flood man's age dropped greatly. Revelation climaxes with the return of living forever on earth for the majority of mankind because through divine intervention Jesus will rid the earth of war, food shortages, sickness and even death.
This peace on earth will be for men of goodwill.


(Psalms 37:11,29,38; 92:7; Proverbs 2:21,22; 10:30)

 

[richardlowellt]

During the 2nd creative period or 'day' when the earth's atmospheric 'expanse' was formed, there were waters beneath that 'expanse' and waters above it (Gen. 1:6,7) The waters 'beneath' were those already on earth. Waters 'above' were the quantities of moisture suspended high above the earth, forming this vast watery deep. It was those waters that fell upon the earth in Noah's day.

This has been explained to you a number of times before, I'll try one more time.

1.) How was the water suspended and what caused it to fall all at once?

2.)If a canopy of water more than 40 feet deep was part of the atmosphere it would raise the atmospheric pressure accordingly, raising the oxygen and nitrogen to toxic levels.

3.) The molecules of water suspended above the ozone layer would break apart.

Without godmagic, no water was suspended over the Earth, it is a SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY!!!

Heaven has the basic meaning of high or lofty. Mid heaven would be where the birds fly. Outer space, or the physical heavens, extends through earth's atmosphere. The spiritual heavens is where angels and God dwell.

As I have said once before, it's hard to imagine anyone with a fair amount of intelligence and education believing this dribble!!

Before the Flood the ice caps were not frozen, and as you know if they melt the water levels will rise. The sudden change in climate caused the ice caps to form.

Please show us the evidence that the ice caps were NOT frozen before the flood

Water drained off into the sea basins. Apparently before the Flood there was more land area, so sea basins would now be enlarged to cover 70%.

Not 13.5 billion cubic MILES of water!!!

 

[Dirty Penguin]

After the Flood, Nimrod set up ancient Babylon. From the tower of Babel people migrated from there and spread throughout the earth taking their pagan ideas and practices with them and spread them world wide. There is no mention of Egypt before the Flood.

No, "the bible" does not record anything about Egypt before the flood....BUT......(History and Archeology) DO. Before the flood there were Egyptian dynasties, during said flood and AFTER the supposed flood we find them. The Egyptian dynasty continues a steady progression from before, during and after and no one recorded anything about a world wide flood. At best, you might find recording of their local flood (Nile River). Here's a time line;

History of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also keep in mind they also had a pre-dynastic history.
Predynastic Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What's interesting is that the dates given blows the biblical account (of creation) out of the water. (No pun intended)

Contrary to what you (believe), The supposed Tower Of Babel, Nimrod and the inhabitants were not the cause nor did they give rise to the Chinese civilization.

Shucks, even the Sumerians have a continuous flow to their history.
History of Sumer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your bible is not the authority on history. We've shown that it is severely deficient in the area of science.

Here are some fun dates to play with. You'll notice that the Egyptian culture as well as others go way back and continue pretty much without interruption during and beyond the supposed flood.

Archaeology Timeline : From Cave Paintings to the Internet

 

[richardlowellt]

Do you have a voice of your own, or are you only capable of regurgitating biblical nonsense? No one lives for 600 years. I need a scientific or realistic explanation as to where all this water came from and were it all went. Please preach on your own time, here we need rational explanations for such an extraordinary event.

Right , today no one lives 600 years. According to Genesis if Adam had not disobeyed he could have lived forever right here on earth. After human imperfection entered the picture because of Adam's disobedience mankind could only live up to 1000 years or a thousand-year day. Even the oldest person recorded did not make it quite to 1000 years. After the Flood man's age dropped greatly. Revelation climaxes with the return of living forever on earth for the majority of mankind because through divine intervention Jesus will rid the earth of war, food shortages, sickness and even death.
This peace on earth will be for men of goodwill.

As the song says----FAIRY TALES CAN COME TRUE
IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU
(if your young at heart)
replace this with
SO SAYS GENESIS

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Yes, it is very possible the mountains could have been lower before the Flood.

Do you have any data to present on this?

From what we know...water causes erosion....So you'll have to show data as to how water can build mountains

 

[tumbleweed41]

The waters receded into sea basins. Scientists say the continents rest on huge plates. Movement of these plates can cause changes in the level of the earth's surface. In some place there are great underwater abysses more than 6 miles deep at the plate boundaries. Movement of the plates, and the sea bottom sinking, causing great trenches to be opened, would allow water to drain off land. Perhaps before the Flood there was more land area. Plus with the freezing at the ice caps the water level would be lower. Rising water is a concern if they were now to melt.

Oh sorry, you do not win any prizes....
The plates rest on the asthenosphere, a portion of the upper mantle just below the lithosphere. High pressures keep it plastic, and it has a relatively low density.
Under the thin oceanic plates the asthenosphere is usually much nearer the seafloor surface, and at mid-ocean ridges it rises to within a few kilometers of the ocean floor.
Due to heat and pressure, it would be imposable for water to exist at levels below the asthenosphere. There are no ridges below the asthenosphere.

So, if you include subsurface water with the Polar icecaps and glaciers, you would still be far short of the water necessary to cover the entire earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Since mountains and sea basins rise and fall, with the extra water the sea basins making deeper depressions would have gotten deeper, so couldn't mountain ranges have gotten pushed up higher ? Also the freezing at the poles could have an effect on the surface.

What about areas where boulders were moved by the force of water?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Since mountains and sea basins rise and fall, with the extra water the sea basins making deeper depressions would have gotten deeper, so couldn't mountain ranges have gotten pushed up higher ? Also the freezing at the poles could have an effect on the surface.

What about areas where boulders were moved by the force of water?

Sure, you are right...God must have made the Earth absolutely flat for the flood!

Your speculations have absolutely no geographic or oceanographic standing.

Honestly, I believe every miraculous speculation that ignores the laws of the universe is a slap in the face to God.

 

[Bware]

God can not do anything. God can not lie.

He cannot lie? even though:
Genesis 6: 1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal [b] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."

Yet several times after that many people lived to be 700, 800. Hmm sounds like a lie to me..