Noahs Ark

[sandy whitelinger]

This flood business by Sandy and others can't explain why there were civilizations in existence before during and after the flood.....who never heard of a global flood nor recorded such an event.....

Biblical history and natural history do not seem to be reconcilable. I entered this discussion because there was a wrong repesentation of the Biblical account of where the water came from. I corrected that misperception. Other than that I'm just having fun.:blowkiss:

 

[sandy whitelinger]

But there is evidence to the contrary in natural history. But that's OK, you are happy to ignore that.

This is called willful ignorance, a bane on Fundamentalism that is leading to it's downfall.

This is willfull assumption on your part. What part of, "I don't try and reconcile Biblical history with natural history," don't you get?

 

[Bware]

The Bible only says that the waters returned from where they came not the mechanics of how that happened. The Bible also does not say how the animals returned to their regions.
There is no evidence to the contray in either of the passages you gave.

The whole point is that there is obviously not 13.8 billion cubic miles of water on the planet today. You seem to believe without a shadow of a doubt that Noah's magick flood happened. So when I ask where the water went and you say it went back to where it came from, which according to you is "the windows of heaven", the earlier post asking what you think happened is relevent. Did god just open the windows and put out the shopvac hose to suck up all the water?
And the other passage says that god told moses to come out and bring all the animals out so they can repopulate the earth. If this all happened then I ask again, how, in your opinion, did the animals get back to there various indiginous regions?

Again you are running in circles...you keep saying, well the bible doesn't specify, it only says "xxxx". I'm not asking what the bible says, I can read, I'm asking what do you THINK happened.

 

[Bware]

Biblical history and natural history do not seem to be reconcilable.

This could be because Hogwart's is a fictional castle...You can't reconcile something that does not exist/didn't happen

 

[tumbleweed41]

This is willfull assumption on your part. What part of, "I don't try and reconcile Biblical history with natural history," don't you get?

Since you "do not try", you are willfully ignoring what is known to be true. This is called willful ignorance.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

The whole point is that there is obviously not 13.8 billion cubic miles of water on the planet today. You seem to believe without a shadow of a doubt that Noah's magick flood happened. So when I ask where the water went and you say it went back to where it came from, which according to you is "the windows of heaven", the earlier post asking what you think happened is relevent. Did god just open the windows and put out the shopvac hose to suck up all the water?.

Shopvacs are not mentioned in the Bible.

And the other passage says that god told moses to come out and bring all the animals out so they can repopulate the earth.

No, God told Noah to come out.

If this all happened then I ask again, how, in your opinion, did the animals get back to there various indiginous regions??

My guess would be the same way they got to the ark.

Again you are running in circles...you keep saying, well the bible doesn't specify, it only says "xxxx". I'm not asking what the bible says, I can read, I'm asking what do you THINK happened.

I think it's not relevent to the biblical description.

What part of, "I don't try and reconcile Biblical history and natural history," don't you get? I've found no suggestion in Scripture that answers any of the questions you are asking. Trying to surmise how things happened usually leads to one heresy or another.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Since you "do not try", you are willfully ignoring what is known to be true. This is called willful ignorance.

I'm not ignorant of either Biblical or natural history. I just don't reconcile them.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

This could be because Hogwart's is a fictional castle...You can't reconcile something that does not exist/didn't happen

Hogwart's does exist and did happen. It just doesn't reconcile with natural history.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I'm not ignorant of either Biblical or natural history. I just don't reconcile them.

However, if you insist the Bible is literally true, then you ignore natural history.
Thus you reject that which is true, while being aware of it.
Willfully Ignorant.
Not an insult, just a statement of fact.

 

[Bware]

Shopvacs are not mentioned in the Bible.
No, God told Noah to come out.

My guess would be the same way they got to the ark.

I think it's not relevent to the biblical description.

What part of, "I don't try and reconcile Biblical history and natural history," don't you get? I've found no suggestion in Scripture that answers any of the questions you are asking. Trying to surmise how things happened usually leads to one heresy or another.

And blind men would walk into walls all the time if not for seeing eye dogs and sticks. I just don't undestand how someone can put every ounce of themselves into a book that obviously has confusing information that contradicts itself at every turn. When I read something, such as a non fiction book about I dunno, umm polar bears, If the author makes a claim that polar bears can float in mid air above the water, I am going to do one of two things. 1. Laugh at loud and toss the book aside. 2. Think well everything else in here seems pretty factual, I will do a little research myself and see what I can find out. I am not for a minute going to believe that polar bears can fly.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

However, if you insist the Bible is literally true, then you ignore natural history.
Thus you reject that which is true, while being aware of it.
Willfully Ignorant.
Not an insult, just a statement of fact.

I think you are being willfully ignorant. That Biblical history and natural history are irreconcilable, in my view, in no way makes either false. It seems to mean that the Bible is not describing natural history.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I just don't understand how someone can put every ounce of themselves into a book that obviously has confusing information that contradicts itself at every turn.

And your misunderstanding is obvious.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I think you are being willfully ignorant. That Biblical history and natural history are irreconcilable, in my view, in no way makes either false. It seems to mean that the Bible is not describing natural history.

Are you saying then that the Bible does not present itself as historically factual?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Are you saying then that the Bible does not present itself as historically factual?

I think I said that the Bible is not describing natural history.

It's been fun, but I gotta go. :canoe:

 

[tumbleweed41]

I think I said that the Bible is not describing natural history.

It's been fun, but I gotta go. :canoe:

Not what I asked. Nice dodge though.

 

[Bware]

I think you are being willfully ignorant. That Biblical history and natural history are irreconcilable, in my view, in no way makes either false. It seems to mean that the Bible is not describing natural history.

How is describing a worldwide flood not natural history?

 

[Bware]

And your misunderstanding is obvious.

Hence the Agnostic tag under my name.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Biblical history and natural history do not seem to be reconcilable. I entered this discussion because there was a wrong repesentation of the Biblical account of where the water came from. I corrected that misperception. Other than that I'm just having fun.:blowkiss:

So you think, some how, we missed that passage? NO...we didn't. The passage is illogical.

So water is outside of the earth in the heavens (Space). So how did it get to earth (inside the earth's atmosphere?)

Wouldn't any water outside of the earth be frozen?

Wouldn't any attempt to get the water through the atmosphere prove to be futile due to the extreme heat of the atmosphere?

See, were already dealing with the silly notion of a boat made of wood and set a drift in a violent sea of salt water, debris, coupled with violent storm conditions and weighed down with animals but then you had to go and introduce another silly notion that there was water in the heavens and this god opened up the sky and simply dumped millions upon millions of gallons of water on the earth then some how sucked it back up......You should have just kept that one to yourself.....

 

[Bware]

So you think, some how, we missed that passage? NO...we didn't. The passage is illogical.

Wouldn't any water outside of the earth be frozen?

Duh Antarctica

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by Bware
And the other passage says that god told moses to come out and bring all the animals out so they can repopulate the earth.

No, God told Noah to come out.

You've got to be kidding me. Bware quoted (your) bible on point which he seems to know better than you. Your scripture say that exactly.....

Genesis 8:17
Bring forth with thee every living thing that [is] with thee, of all flesh, [both] of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.

Now you're just not being honest and playing around.....