Noahs Ark

[URAVIP2ME]

Okay where in the Bible does it say that eating of the tree of life would need to happen more than once to grant immortality?

And I know the 120 year thing was later on, my point was that the 1000 year rule that URA implied wasn't valid. (yet that rule doesn't seem to apply becuase throughout the old testament people live waaay longer than 120, but you know goddidit)

There is a difference between immortality and eternal life or everlasting life.

No where does it say God created or granted to Adam to have life within himself (immortality) . Adam was created as a perfect human but not created immortal. Adam was created to live forever if he was obedient. Conditional. (Genesis 3:22B ). Adam was granted eternal life or everlasting life which is different from being immortal (life from within oneself).

Angels also are mortal in that if they sin they too will be destroyed.
Hebrews 2:14 B.

The word 'day' expresses units of time but 'day' can vary in length of time.
The time frame for the creative days are unknown. We do know in the apostle Paul's day, in Hebrews chapter four, that people could be part of God's rest day that started in Genesis so that indicated that 7th day was still on-going in Paul's day.

The day that Adam could live after sinning was a thousand year day or how God views a day as 2nd Peter (3:8) says in God's eyes a thousand years is as a day. Psalm (90:4) also indicates that a thousand years are as yesterday....

The 120 years time frame was after the Flood. Methuselah died before the Flood. Before the Flood it was up to 1000 but not after.

Once Jesus takes action as described (Isaiah 11:4; Rev. 19:11,15-21;Jeremiah 25:31-33) then Jesus millennial rule or thousand-year rule follows. During this time even death according to Revelation (21:4) will end. This is Adamic death or, in other words, death that we inherited from Adam will end.

Who inherits everlasting or eternal life will be those not called to rule in heaven with Jesus, but be part of the humble meek that inherit the earth forever. Please see Psalm 37:11,29,38. They will have the same human perfection that Adam originally had and be able to live forever on earth.
Whereas, those called to heaven to rule with Jesus (Rev 5:9,10;20:6) will
'put on' immortality. (1 Cor 15:53,54). God gave or granted to Jesus according to John (5:26) to have life in himself (Hebrews 9:24), and God will grant or gift immortality to Jesus 'brothers' of Matthew (25:40).

As far as the tree of life, it is mentioned at Revelation 22:2,14 indicating life again for all that have not been destroyed in second death.
God desires all to repent (2Peter 3:9) so that none perish.

 

[Arlanbb]

There is a difference between immortality and eternal life or everlasting life.

No where does it say God created or granted to Adam to have life within himself (immortality) . Adam was created as a perfect human but not created immortal. Adam was created to live forever if he was obedient. Conditional. (Genesis 3:22B ). Adam was granted eternal life or everlasting life which is different from being immortal (life from within oneself).

Angels also are mortal in that if they sin they too will be destroyed.
Hebrews 2:14 B.

The word 'day' expresses units of time but 'day' can vary in length of time.The days of creation are 7- 24 hours time zones at least that is what God said in Ex. 20:11 :in six days the Lord made heaven and earth,,,and rested the seventh."
The time frame for the creative days are unknown.Wrong - see Ex. 20:11 We do know in the apostle Paul's day, in Hebrews chapter four, that people could be part of God's rest day that started in Genesis so that indicated that 7th day was still on-going in Paul's day.

The day that Adam could live after sinning was a thousand year day or how God views a day as 2nd Peter (3:8) says in God's eyes a thousand years is as a day. Psalm (90:4) also indicates that a thousand years are as yesterday....

The 120 years time frame was after the Flood.When did this Genesis flood happen? Please give us a BC time date. Methuselah died before the Flood. Before the Flood it was up to 1000 but not after. Out of all the thousands of bodies that have been over that live 5,000 to 6,000 years ago not one of them live over 120 years, most died in there 30's. There is no evidence of people living 300, 500 or 800 years.

Once Jesus takes action as described (Isaiah 11:4; Rev. 19:11,15-21;Jeremiah 25:31-33) then Jesus millennial rule or thousand-year rule follows. During this time even death according to Revelation (21:4) will end. This is Adamic death or, in other words, death that we inherited from Adam will end.

Who inherits everlasting or eternal life will be those not called to rule in heaven with Jesus, but be part of the humble meek that inherit the earth forever. Please see Psalm 37:11,29,38. They will have the same human perfection that Adam originally had and be able to live forever on earth.
Whereas, those called to heaven to rule with Jesus (Rev 5:9,10;20:6) will
'put on' immortality. (1 Cor 15:53,54). God gave or granted to Jesus according to John (5:26) to have life in himself (Hebrews 9:24), and God will grant or gift immortality to Jesus 'brothers' of Matthew (25:40).

As far as the tree of life, it is mentioned at Revelation 22:2,14 indicating life again for all that have not been destroyed in second death.
God desires all to repent (2Peter 3:9) so that none perish.

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[RESOLUTION]

How did they fit a pair of Brontosaurus on the ark? Where do these lifeforms fit into the Bible? I've not seen a reference.

They didn't hence they died out... They were neither clean or unclean animals and so could not be used as food or for any other purpose...

Well you did ask... and let us be fair... you did start this...

I like it!...

 

[rusra02]

Can anyone explain how a dove small ground bird with a wingspan of less then 18" could fly over the flood covered earth?

And why a dove? Noah had a pair of albatross, condors, buzzards. And he sends out a dove?

The Bible does not say a dove flew over the flood covered earth (if you are suggesting the dove circumnavigated the globe.)

Also, the first bird sent by Noah was a raven, not a dove. Noah may have selected the dove since doves would return to Noah. The raven may not have returned to Noah but simply perched on the Ark. We simply do not know these details.

Doves rest only on dry ground, are known to fly low in valleys, and feed on vegetation. (Ezekiel 7:16) Grzimek’s Animal Life Encyclopedia notes: “As is true of all pigeons and doves eating seeds and nuts, there is difficulty in feeding when snow [or water] cover persists more than a day, most of their potential food being on the ground surface.” So the dove might bring back to Noah some evidence that it had found dry ground or sprouting plants. The first time that Noah sent it out, the dove simply returned to him in the ark. The second time, the dove came back with an olive leaf. The third time, it did not return, giving evidence that it was safe for Noah to leave the ark.—Genesis 8:8-12.

 

[Autodidact]

Varves?

 

[OmarKhayyam]

"Also, the first bird sent by Noah was a raven, not a dove. Noah may have selected the dove since doves would return to Noah. The raven may not have returned to Noah but simply perched on the Ark. We simply do not know these details."

Ah, details details. So bothersome those details. So often overlooked or missing in biblical accounts of these wondrous events.

Maybe the devil is in . . . .?

 

[OmarKhayyam]

Varves?

Maybe our believing friends will need to goggle that word before they understand the import.

Then again perhaps not. Maybe only more of those "devilish" details that don't really matter all that much?

 

[averageJOE]

The second time, the dove came back with an olive leaf.

Where the heck did this olive leaf come from?? Wasn't the entire earth underwater? All the trees would have beed dead.

 

[richardlowellt]

They didn't hence they died out... They were neither clean or unclean animals and so could not be used as food or for any other purpose...

So is it your contention that the Brontosaurus and other dinosaurs died out because of Noah's flood? If so should we not find their remains buried under a single layer of sediment that is identifiable world wide?

 

[Bware]

Varves?

And you know some YEC's are gonna get on and post all kinds of stuff trying to refute varves, so let me just post this up as a pre-rebuttle. Truth In Geology Series, The Truth about Varves this is a CHRISTIAN website basically using scince *gasp* to show that varves are valid and YEC's are full of it.

 

[shortfade2]

Where the heck did this olive leaf come from?? Wasn't the entire earth underwater? All the trees would have beed dead.

I understand doubting the flood. But are you that dense? The tops of trees were showing acordding to the Bible. It was probably not an olive leaf in reality, but maybe a small piece of Kelp, moss, something more realistic to have survived 40 days in the water.

 

[averageJOE]

I understand doubting the flood. But are you that dense? The tops of trees were showing acordding to the Bible.

Show me where in the bible it says the tops of trees were showing. In the mean time;
Genesis 7:19 and 20 "They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet"

Those must have been some pretty big olive trees!

It was probably not an olive leaf in reality, but maybe a small piece of Kelp, moss, something more realistic to have survived 40 days in the water.

Pure speculation on your part. Also,
Genesis 7:23 " Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark."
Your probably come back and say that moss and kelp don't count a living things, right?

You want to talk "more realistic"? Here's one; There was never a global flood.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Richardlowellt said, "Of course you don't it's science, something you are totally unfamiliar with. Whatever you do stay away from those evil books on science, you know, the ones that tell you how your world operates."

That is an needless, ignorant and unjustifiable post. Neither was my question directed to you but perhaps in your infinite understanding you could use your vast scientific knowledge and 'spail it to this 'ignat Bible thumper.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Because it made no sense.....that's why.




Fine...not space...but "sky".....Your bible does not reveal the heaven talked about in Genesis as some mysterious invisible place. So basically your bible says water below the sky and water above the sky. So is what you're telling us is that the sky opened up and more water fell down to earth than what was already here to completely cover it? Can you elaborate as to how this is possible?



Translation: It rained more water down to the earth from the sky than what was already on the planet.

It's not the sky that separated the water from above from the water from below it was space. The water that flooded the earth in Noah's time came from heaven and returned to heaven, according to the Bible.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

He paraphrased the quote by saying...("And the other passage says that god told moses to come out and bring all the animals out so they can repopulate the earth.")

Which you responded...("No, God told Noah to come out.")

But we find that not only does your god tell Noah to come out but he tells Noah to bring the animals out to go forth and multiply (repopulate the earth).

Genesis 8:17
Bring forth with thee every living thing that [is] with thee, of all flesh, [both] of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.


So where was the "misquote"...?

It was Noah and not Moses and there is no reference as to how the animals were going to actually get to other places than where they were concieved.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I think that people say it is something about the firmament. Like a layer of water above the atmosphere...I dunnu. I hate debating the flood. It is basically atheists mocking the Christians

The firmament is space, not the atmosphere.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Okay where in the Bible does it say that eating of the tree of life would need to happen more than once to grant immortality?

And I know the 120 year thing was later on, my point was that the 1000 year rule that URA implied wasn't valid. (yet that rule doesn't seem to apply becuase throughout the old testament people live waaay longer than 120, but you know goddidit)

This is really another topic which I could take up in a separate thread.

 

[richardlowellt]

Richardlowellt said, "Of course you don't it's science, something you are totally unfamiliar with. Whatever you do stay away from those evil books on science, you know, the ones that tell you how your world operates."

That is an needless, ignorant and unjustifiable post. Neither was my question directed to you but perhaps in your infinite understanding you could use your vast scientific knowledge and 'spail it to this 'ignat Bible thumper.

I would be more than happy to explain anything you want to know, what exactly don't you understand?

 

[richardlowellt]

It's not the sky that separated the water from above from the water from below it was space. The water that flooded the earth in Noah's time came from heaven and returned to heaven, according to the Bible.

And no matter how unrealistic or unscientific this sounds, you are wiling to blindly believe it because an ancient text says so?

 

[richardlowellt]

It was Noah and not Moses and there is no reference as to how the animals were going to actually get to other places than where they were concieved.

And are you not one bit curious as to how all these animals returned to there place of origin? I would think that if you put so much stock into these stories, you would want some justification for these unrealistic events.