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Noahs Ark

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It doesn't matter really. If you take in consideration the time it would or supposedly did take "Noah" to built this ark you'd have to ask yourself a few logical questions.

How did he manage to cut and plain the wood for the ark? (That in of itself would have taken a very long time to do)

How did he keep the wood from rotting before he had a chance to use it in building the ark?

How did he keep violent people from mobbing and stealing the wood (why cut your own when he has already done the job)?

See the story might be a good one to tell those who aren't familiar with how stuff works but for those that do know...the story becomes fool of holes. A boat catering to what would have been millions of species of animals with their specialized diets as well as their massive amounts of urine and dung would have been impossible for a small crew to handle. Visit any zoo and ask how hard it is to support thousands of animals monthly...It's not easy.

Additionally, a wooden boat of such size and cargo would not last very long in the water, let alone even be able to float, considering the cargo, the construction and the environment.

How did he keep the wood from rotting before he had a chance to use it in building the ark?

I marvel at some of the specious arguments made against the historical record of the global Flood. Of what this huge ark was to be built was made plain by Jehovah: “Make for yourself an ark out of wood of a resinous tree [literally, trees of gopher].” (Ge 6:14) This resinous wood here prescribed is thought by some to be cypress or a similar tree. In that part of the world what today is called cypress was in abundant supply; it was particularly favored for shipbuilding by the Phoenicians and by Alexander the Great, as it is even down to the present time; and it is especially resistant to water and decay. Doors and posts made of cypress are reported to have lasted 1,100 years. In addition, Noah was told not merely to caulk the seams but to “cover [the ark] inside and outside with tar.
Over in England, still braving the notorious weather, is a wooden building near Ongar, Essex, constructed about 1013. A wooden temple in Japan, the Horyuji Temple, is centuries older.

How did he manage to cut and plain the wood for the ark? (That in of itself would have taken a very long time to do)

Uh, with tools such as axes, planes, etc.(Genesis 4:22) And hard work, of course.

How did he keep violent people from mobbing and stealing the wood (why cut your own when he has already done the job)?

The Bible does not say, but one possibility is he used the wood he prepared as he went. And of course, God protected Noah and his family, as he has protected his worshipers through all history.(Hebrews 11)

A boat catering to what would have been millions of species of animals with their specialized diets as well as their massive amounts of urine and dung would have been impossible for a small crew to handle.

There is nothing to indicate there were 'millions of species' on the ark. I'm pretty sure God thought about all this when he told Noah to build the Ark.
 

challupa

Well-Known Member
How did he keep the wood from rotting before he had a chance to use it in building the ark?

I marvel at some of the specious arguments made against the historical record of the global Flood. Of what this huge ark was to be built was made plain by Jehovah: “Make for yourself an ark out of wood of a resinous tree [literally, trees of gopher].” (Ge 6:14) This resinous wood here prescribed is thought by some to be cypress or a similar tree. In that part of the world what today is called cypress was in abundant supply; it was particularly favored for shipbuilding by the Phoenicians and by Alexander the Great, as it is even down to the present time; and it is especially resistant to water and decay. Doors and posts made of cypress are reported to have lasted 1,100 years. In addition, Noah was told not merely to caulk the seams but to “cover [the ark] inside and outside with tar.
Over in England, still braving the notorious weather, is a wooden building near Ongar, Essex, constructed about 1013. A wooden temple in Japan, the Horyuji Temple, is centuries older.

How did he manage to cut and plain the wood for the ark? (That in of itself would have taken a very long time to do)

Uh, with tools such as axes, planes, etc.(Genesis 4:22) And hard work, of course.

How did he keep violent people from mobbing and stealing the wood (why cut your own when he has already done the job)?

The Bible does not say, but one possibility is he used the wood he prepared as he went. And of course, God protected Noah and his family, as he has protected his worshipers through all history.(Hebrews 11)

A boat catering to what would have been millions of species of animals with their specialized diets as well as their massive amounts of urine and dung would have been impossible for a small crew to handle.

There is nothing to indicate there were 'millions of species' on the ark. I'm pretty sure God thought about all this when he told Noah to build the Ark.
First of all, if you think god has protected anyone, you are not reading the OT. Also, if there were not millions of species on the ark, where do we get the diversity of species we see today? There is not enough time between your alleged flood and modern day to have such diversity and quantity. A global flood is not possible. A huge regional flood, probable.
 

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
First of all, if you think god has protected anyone, you are not reading the OT. Also, if there were not millions of species on the ark, where do we get the diversity of species we see today? There is not enough time between your alleged flood and modern day to have such diversity and quantity. A global flood is not possible. A huge regional flood, probable.

If there were only one family then how do we get the diversity of different nationalities that we have today.....Maybe every time they procreated they birthed a different nationality......Now that's diversity at it's best.....:D
 

challupa

Well-Known Member
If there were only one family then how do we get the diversity of different nationalities that we have today.....Maybe every time they procreated they birthed a different nationality......Now that's diversity at it's best.....:D
Another good question. That's something I mentioned awhile ago. If we all come from Adam and eve, where did the different races come from. Then when God supposedly killed all living things except Noah and his family and what they put on the ark, it still makes different races improbable and same with species diversity. I don't understand how it can be taken literally to be honest.
 

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
Another good question. That's something I mentioned awhile ago. If we all come from Adam and eve, where did the different races come from. Then when God supposedly killed all living things except Noah and his family and what they put on the ark, it still makes different races improbable and same with species diversity. I don't understand how it can be taken literally to be honest.

Not to make light of the Bible, which I consider to be the inspired word of God (which is definitely subject to many error due to many, many translations)
The story of Noah was good for me when I was a child, it is great for a Sunday school teacher or Bible school teacher who is teaching children 1-6 years old.

I can only sum up the story by quoting one of the scriptures in which Paul said
"When I was a child I spake as a child but when I "grew up" I put away Childish things....(sort of paraphrased)
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
If there were only one family then how do we get the diversity of different nationalities that we have today.....Maybe every time they procreated they birthed a different nationality......Now that's diversity at it's best.....:D

The great diversity is a reflection of God's boundless creative ability. How boring if everyone looked the same. But, hey, we're all human and can produce children regardless of the nationality of our mate.
There were three great branches of these nations stemming from the sons and grandsons of Noah’s sons Japheth, Ham, and Shem, and these were reckoned as the founding fathers of the respective nations called by their names. The listing in Genesis, chapter 10, therefore might be termed the oldest tabulation of nations, 70 in number. Fourteen were Japhetic, 30 Hamitic, and 26 Shemitic in origin. God scattered the nations by confusing their language at Babel, and this likely sped up the diversity.
 

Autodidact

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There is nothing to indicate there were 'millions of species' on the ark. I'm pretty sure God thought about all this when he told Noah to build the Ark.

Interesting. There are at least 12 million species today, and probably twice that many. Where did they come from?
 

Charity

Let's go racing boys !

The great diversity is a reflection of God's boundless creative ability. How boring if everyone looked the same. But, hey, we're all human and can produce children regardless of the nationality of our mate.
There were three great branches of these nations stemming from the sons and grandsons of Noah’s sons Japheth, Ham, and Shem, and these were reckoned as the founding fathers of the respective nations called by their names. The listing in Genesis, chapter 10, therefore might be termed the oldest tabulation of nations, 70 in number. Fourteen were Japhetic, 30 Hamitic, and 26 Shemitic in origin. God scattered the nations by confusing their language at Babel, and this likely sped up the diversity.
Yes of course we have many nationalities now, but it would take years to procreate and produce many diverse humans that are 100% ethnic groups.....Especially with only a small bunch of people on an ark left in the world. They had to work fast in order to become Hispanic, Blacks, Oriental and all the other ethnic groups....

The point is Noah could not have possibly saved every species of every insect, animal or whatever else we can throw into the discussion.....:D
 

challupa

Well-Known Member
Not to make light of the Bible, which I consider to be the inspired word of God (which is definitely subject to many error due to many, many translations)
The story of Noah was good for me when I was a child, it is great for a Sunday school teacher or Bible school teacher who is teaching children 1-6 years old.

I can only sum up the story by quoting one of the scriptures in which Paul said
"When I was a child I spake as a child but when I "grew up" I put away Childish things....(sort of paraphrased)
Yes I understand. I used to think it was a neat story too. Now, not so much!
 

challupa

Well-Known Member

The great diversity is a reflection of God's boundless creative ability. How boring if everyone looked the same. But, hey, we're all human and can produce children regardless of the nationality of our mate.
There were three great branches of these nations stemming from the sons and grandsons of Noah’s sons Japheth, Ham, and Shem, and these were reckoned as the founding fathers of the respective nations called by their names. The listing in Genesis, chapter 10, therefore might be termed the oldest tabulation of nations, 70 in number. Fourteen were Japhetic, 30 Hamitic, and 26 Shemitic in origin. God scattered the nations by confusing their language at Babel, and this likely sped up the diversity.
I don't care how much diversity you think could have come from three men and their wives, if they were all one race to begin with, they could never have diverged into the many races we see today in the length of time between the alleged flood and now. Also, god did not make different races when he scattered the nations, he simply made it impossible for them to understand each other.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member

The great diversity is a reflection of God's boundless creative ability. How boring if everyone looked the same. But, hey, we're all human and can produce children regardless of the nationality of our mate.
There were three great branches of these nations stemming from the sons and grandsons of Noah’s sons Japheth, Ham, and Shem, and these were reckoned as the founding fathers of the respective nations called by their names. The listing in Genesis, chapter 10, therefore might be termed the oldest tabulation of nations, 70 in number. Fourteen were Japhetic, 30 Hamitic, and 26 Shemitic in origin. God scattered the nations by confusing their language at Babel, and this likely sped up the diversity.

Can that threefold racial division ^ of the human family from Adam to Noah be successfully disputed? Genesis 9:18,19; Acts 17:26


Humankind: Be Both
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Yes of course we have many nationalities now, but it would take years to procreate and produce many diverse humans that are 100% ethnic groups.....Especially with only a small bunch of people on an ark left in the world. They had to work fast in order to become Hispanic, Blacks, Oriental and all the other ethnic groups....
What is a “100% ethnic group”? :confused:
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
I marvel at some of the specious arguments made against the historical record of the global Flood.

Apologist are just too funny. I'm mean.... you actually have the gall to refer to that camp fire story as...(historical record).....:sarcastic

Epic of Gilgamesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atra-Hasis

There is nothing to indicate there were 'millions of species' on the ark. I'm pretty sure God thought about all this when he told Noah to build the Ark.

There's nothing indicating there weren't.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
No Flood. No legends.
Isn't there well over 200 'Flood' accounts that have a similar story ?

Gilgamesh was Babylon's and so was Berossus' account.
Australia has Kurnai
Bolivia has Chiriguano
Borneo has Sea Dayak
Burma has Singpho
Canada has Cree, and Montagnais
China has Lolo
Cuba has original natives
E. Africa has Masai
Egypt has Book of the Dead
Fiji has Walavu-levu tradition
French Polynesia has Raiatea
Greece has Lucian's account
Guyana has Macushi
Iceland has Eddas
India has Andaman Islands and Bhil and Kamar
Iran has Zend-Avesta
Italy has Ovid's poetry
Malay Peninsula has Jakun
Mexico has Codex Chimalpopoca and Huichol
New Zealand has Maori
Peru has Indians of Huarochiri
Russia has Vogul
Alaska has Kolusches and Tlingit
Hawaii has Legend of Nu-u
Vanuatu has Melanesians
Vietnam has Bahnar
Wales has Dwyfan/Dwyfach legend.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
No Flood. No legends.
Isn't there well over 200 'Flood' accounts that have a similar story ?

Gilgamesh was Babylon's and so was Berossus' account.
Australia has Kurnai
Bolivia has Chiriguano
Borneo has Sea Dayak
Burma has Singpho
Canada has Cree, and Montagnais
China has Lolo
Cuba has original natives
E. Africa has Masai
Egypt has Book of the Dead
Fiji has Walavu-levu tradition
French Polynesia has Raiatea
Greece has Lucian's account
Guyana has Macushi
Iceland has Eddas
India has Andaman Islands and Bhil and Kamar
Iran has Zend-Avesta
Italy has Ovid's poetry
Malay Peninsula has Jakun
Mexico has Codex Chimalpopoca and Huichol
New Zealand has Maori
Peru has Indians of Huarochiri
Russia has Vogul
Alaska has Kolusches and Tlingit
Hawaii has Legend of Nu-u
Vanuatu has Melanesians
Vietnam has Bahnar
Wales has Dwyfan/Dwyfach legend.

Uh, yeah, lots of places have floods; hence, lots of places have stories of floods. Duh.

So your best evidence is myths?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
And what does "kind" mean?
So you agree then that new species evolve?

There are many new variations within kinds.
So there could be many species or varieties within a single division of the Genesis 'kinds'
Biblical kind is when fertilization ceases to occur.
Sterility is the delimiting factor as to what constitutes a biblical 'kind'
 
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