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Noahs Ark

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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Autodidact said:
And you have defined "kind" as the same as a species. (*is tired of going over the same simple points again and again.*)
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When you plant seeds they produce only according to their kind.
Plant corn you can depend with confidence you will get corn.

Cats give birth to cats, Humans give birth to humans.
Finches always remain in a variety of finches.

Variation in color, size and shape differ but always within its 'kind'.
 
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freethinker44

Well-Known Member
URAVIP2ME said:
Variation in color, size and shape differ but always within its 'kind'.
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Variations in color, size, and shape do not happen magically. It happens because of subtle differences in dna. So even though a species may look like other members of their species, they all have different genetic codes. And with every offspring each pair produces, the genetic code changes more.

Variation in color, shape, and size are exactly what evolution is and the difference between each "kind" of animal is basically variations in size shape and color, only the genetic code between the different "kinds" that is required to produce the different sizes, shapes, and colors has varied between these "kinds" of animals has varied to such a degree that reproduction can only be limited to "kinds" of animals that are very similar to their dna.

All animals are different from all other animals, we only look the same as our respective "kind" because our dna hasn't changed enough to cause too much variation in size, shape, and color.... yet. But with every offspring that is born, more variations are produced, natural selection chooses which variations, if any, will prove to be advantageous to life, and if that means one "kind" varies enough from its original "kind" to be classified as a different "kind" then so be it.

If creationists actually took the time to understand evolution instead of assuming it will disprove your god if you learn it, you may be pleasantly surprised to see that not only does it not disprove any god concept, but that you also already accept evolution, you just don't know that your "variations in kinds" is evolution. Instead you say "dogs don't come from cats" or something equally ridiculous and then in the next breath you describe a crude form of evolution that you believe. Just actually learn it and understand it and you will find that it fits perfectly within your beliefs and may actually strengthen them.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
When you plant seeds they produce only according to their kind.
Plant corn you can depend with confidence you will get corn.

Cats give birth to cats, Humans give birth to humans.
Finches always remain in a variety of finches.

Variation in color, size and shape differ but always within its 'kind'.
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All thats nice but a closer Biblical inpection will show that there were three animal kinds, land animals (Gen1:25), water kinds (Gen 1:21), and winged fowl (Gen 1:21). There three "kinds" of plants, grass Herbs and trees (Gen 1: 11 & 12).

Also, try and gain some understanding of the evolutionary process. Every offspring is of the same "kind" as it's parents with few exceptions, ie. a mule. They can reproduce with their kind. Is is the isolation of groups of "kinds" that diverge into new species. There is nothing non-Biblical about that.

Now if you are trying to use what you offered to say that evolution does not happen then you are ignoring actual evidence of living species that have been observed to have variated...recently.
 
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Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
URAVIP2ME said:
When you plant seeds they produce only according to their kind.
Plant corn you can depend with confidence you will get corn.

Cats give birth to cats, Humans give birth to humans.
Finches always remain in a variety of finches.

Variation in color, size and shape differ but always within its 'kind'.
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And a "kind" is a group of organisms that can reproduce with each other, correct? Is that YOUR definition of "kind?"
 
johnhanks

johnhanks

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interfaithdilaog said:
Allah can do everything whatever he wants. It is so simple.
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This is anything but simple. We have to postulate an all-knowing disembodied mind capable of willing objects and events into existence without physical intervention: such an entity would surely be vastly complex.

Of course, if you meant simplistic you'd be spot on.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
URAVIP2ME said:
As the Ark was being built couldn't some of it have been pieced together little by little instead of collecting all of the wood first then assembling? It would be harder to steal that way. As Genesis 6:14 says the Ark was covered with pitch within and without. The pitch (Bitumen) would have been the sealer or waterproofer. How would one know how fast wood would decay under the climate conditions before the Flood?
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If the Ark was sealed "within and without" with a waterproof layer, it would have rotted VERY quickly. Doing this would trap the moisture in the wood, not allowing it anywhere to go. Micro-organisms would flourish and eat the hull from the inside out.

This is why in a modern house, you exterior walls will only have ONE moisture barrier.

To see the effect I'm talking about for yourself, take two slices of fresh bread. Put one in a paper bag and one in a sealable plastic bag. Put them side-by-side in a warm, dry place. In a month, come and check on them. The bread in the paper bag will be stale, but recognizable as bread. The bread in the plastic bag will have been replaced with a fantastic bacterial menagerie.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
How long was the wood seasoned before it was sealed?
Under the climate conditions of that time perhaps because of that it could have lasted just long enough before such decay?

You make good points, but where the Bible is silent there is no way to know details.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
URAVIP2ME said:
How long was the wood seasoned before it was sealed?
Under the climate conditions of that time perhaps because of that it could have lasted just long enough before such decay?

You make good points, but where the Bible is silent there is no way to know details.
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It doesn't matter really. If you take in consideration the time it would or supposedly did take "Noah" to built this ark you'd have to ask yourself a few logical questions.

How did he manage to cut and plain the wood for the ark? (That in of itself would have taken a very long time to do)

How did he keep the wood from rotting before he had a chance to use it in building the ark?

How did he keep violent people from mobbing and stealing the wood (why cut your own when he has already done the job)?

See the story might be a good one to tell those who aren't familiar with how stuff works but for those that do know...the story becomes fool of holes. A boat catering to what would have been millions of species of animals with their specialized diets as well as their massive amounts of urine and dung would have been impossible for a small crew to handle. Visit any zoo and ask how hard it is to support thousands of animals monthly...It's not easy.

Additionally, a wooden boat of such size and cargo would not last very long in the water, let alone even be able to float, considering the cargo, the construction and the environment.
 
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challupa

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Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
challupa said:
I haven't read this whole thread so I apologize if this has already been posted. Here is a link done by the Discovery Channel that is pretty interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyq48bTLQ5s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moPIH15uki8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpYw-L68JmE&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wuzow1g58g&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbF3hFip7fw&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxcqGy_-bhk&NR=1
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I liked that Discovery special....... It's what I and others here have been saying all along......
 
darkendless

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
URAVIP2ME said:
How long was the wood seasoned before it was sealed?
Under the climate conditions of that time perhaps because of that it could have lasted just long enough before such decay?

You make good points, but where the Bible is silent there is no way to know details.
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Seasoned wood is much more brittle than normal wood, and is also somewhat weaker owing to age creating higher porosity over lengths of time.

Not that it matters to you, just thought i'd present some facts.
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
darkendless said:
Seasoned wood is much more brittle than normal wood, and is also somewhat weaker owing to age creating higher porosity over lengths of time.

Not that it matters to you, just thought i'd present some facts.
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Oh no, not facts! Now look what you've done! All his beautiful ignorance, destroyed!

Wicked_Witch-melting.jpg
 
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Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
Quaxotic said:
Relax auto.

His ignorance is safe. He'll just pass it off as atheistic Satan worshipping propaganda. Just like everything else that doesn't fit into his world view.

-Q
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But maybe, given the climate he currently resides in, ignorance may be preserved just long enough to ferment into a cemented idea in his head?
 
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