Noahs Ark

[Dirty Penguin]

I really don't see it as a scare tactic or mind control but I do see it as a "childrens story"......Get my drift..... most children like stories about animals...

Ohhh, I was just funnin'...I should have put a smiley face at the end........

......Maybe we need one of these in the mix....

 

[Charity]

Ohhh, I was just funnin'...I should have put a smiley face at the end........

......Maybe we need one of these in the mix....

:hug: thank you sweetie, for the smiley......

 

[rusra02]

In that 40-50 years to build the ark how was Noah able to keep the wood from rotting? And in that 40-50 years how was Noah and his family able to keep all of those evil, wicked people that God was about to kill from stealing their wood? And why, according to you, can the word "day" mean more than one thing but the word "year" means exactly that, ONE YEAR?

I'm sometimes surprised at the objections people raise to the historical account of Noah and the Flood. To the first 2 questions you ask I have to respond "Are you being serious? Seriously?"
A comparison of Genesis 7:11 with Genesis 8:3, 4 shows that 150 days amounted to five months. The fact that the Bible also mentions the 10th month and, subsequently, one 40-day period and at least two 7-day time periods as passing during this year, indicates the year was 12 months long.—Ge 8:5, 6, 10, 12-14.

 

[rusra02]

Great scare tactic and an attempt at mind control over the dumb and/or uneducated....

The Bible answers far better than I could...

"In the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires...According to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; and by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved for the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men." (2 Peter 3:3,5-7)

 

[darkendless]

The Bible answers far better than I could...

"In the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires...According to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; and by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved for the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men." (2 Peter 3:3,5-7)

What does the bible say against the piles of geological strata that contradict the rubbish you're pushing in this thread with unrelated verses and science written by people who have never dug a deep hole?

 

[Autodidact]

Noah could easily preserve the wood with a tar-like preserve.

such as what? And how would that protect a wooden ship from being smashed by waves big enough to carve a canyon? (Not that a wave has ever carved a canyon.)

 

[Dirty Penguin]

The Bible answers far better than I could...

"In the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires...According to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; and by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved for the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men." (2 Peter 3:3,5-7)

This is irrelevant in light of today's geological, anthropological, archeological and biological discoveries which all confirm the earth is really old, there was no world wide flood, man has been on the earth for thousands of years, and we as well as other animals have evolved and still are evolving.

You must ask yourself...why is it that ALL of these fields of science compliment each other. Surly there's no conspiracy. The data is laid out for all to see and test.

No. You're trying you hardest to fit campfire stories in with what is now known of the modern world and they simply don't mesh. 2nd Peter is simply parroting what is basically said in Genesis and in "BOTH" cases they are completely wrong. It's OK for you to believe it but don't expect smart-educated people to except something that is known to be false.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

such as what? And how would that protect a wooden ship from being smashed by waves big enough to carve a canyon? (Not that a wave has ever carved a canyon.)

First, the ark was not a ship. It was chest-like in shape. It did not have to go anywhere just float.

"Bitumen". Bitumen's usefulness pre-dates the Flood (Gen 6:14).
There are three Hebrew words used for Bitumen's hardness:
Pitch (zepheth); Bitumen (chemar); and Kopher for overlaying woodwork.
JK Version used the word 'slime' for the Hebrew words.- Gen 14:10.

Moses papyrus ark was watertight.- Exodus 2:3.
Babylon's builders used bitumen- Gen 11:3.

Even today's Valley of Siddim in the Dead Sea area bits of bitumen have been washed ashore.

Where the Bible is silent we do not know how God kept the water-proofed Ark safe while floating.
The point being that once today's political world turns against the world's religious sector because it has run afoul playing false to God and Jesus, we don't know how, but God will protect, or keep safe, all men of goodwill through the coming global great tribulation on earth.
Rev 7:9,10,14; Matt 24:21.

 

[freethinker44]

The point being that once today's political world turns against the world's religious sector because it has run afoul playing false to God and Jesus, we don't know how, but God will protect, or keep safe, all men of goodwill through the coming global great tribulation on earth.
Rev 7:9,10,14; Matt 24:21.

If the worlds religions weren't on par with organized crime then maybe there would be no need to turn against them.

 

[rusra02]

This is irrelevant in light of today's geological, anthropological, archeological and biological discoveries which all confirm the earth is really old, there was no world wide flood, man has been on the earth for thousands of years, and we as well as other animals have evolved and still are evolving.

You must ask yourself...why is it that ALL of these fields of science compliment each other. Surly there's no conspiracy. The data is laid out for all to see and test.

No. You're trying you hardest to fit campfire stories in with what is now known of the modern world and they simply don't mesh. 2nd Peter is simply parroting what is basically said in Genesis and in "BOTH" cases they are completely wrong. It's OK for you to believe it but don't expect smart-educated people to except something that is known to be false.

Scientists who repeat the mantra over and over that evolution is a confirmed fact are not being true to the scientific evidence. They copy the tactics of the chief priests and the Pharisees of Jesus’ day. When officers sent out to arrest Jesus came back without him, the Pharisees demanded: “‘Why is it you did not bring him in?’ The officers replied: ‘Never has another man spoken like this.’ In turn the Pharisees answered: ‘You have not been misled also, have you? Not one of the rulers or of the Pharisees has put faith in him, has he? But this crowd that does not know the Law are accursed people.’” (John 7:45-49) The tyranny of authority: ‘None of the important people, none of the educated people, accept Jesus as Messiah. Only the stupid accursed ones do.’

Evolutionists today use the same Pharisaic approach: ‘Believe as we do,’ they say. ‘All competent scientists believe evolution. All intelligent people believe it. Only the uneducated and the ignorant don’t believe it.’ By such intimidation and mental bullying, masses of people are herded into the evolutionists’ camp. They know nothing of the weaknesses and inadequacies of evolutionary theory or its unsound speculations and hypothesized impossibilities—such as the origin of life from inanimate chemicals. So they are swept along by the repetitious mantras recited by evolution’s propagandizers. The theory becomes dogma, its preachers become arrogant, and dissenters reap disdainful abuse. The tactics work. They did in Jesus’ day; they do today.​

 

[Willamena]

By such intimidation and mental bullying, masses of people are herded into the evolutionists’ camp. They know nothing of the weaknesses and inadequacies of evolutionary theory or its unsound speculations and hypothesized impossibilities—such as the origin of life from inanimate chemicals. So they are swept along by the repetitious mantras recited by evolution’s propagandizers. The theory becomes dogma, its preachers become arrogant, and dissenters reap disdainful abuse. The tactics work. They did in Jesus’ day; they do today.

No offense, but it sounds like you are the one who has been herded, and swept along by ceaseless mantra. The origin of life from inanimate chemicals is no part of the Theory of Evolution.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Scientists who repeat the mantra over and over that evolution is a confirmed fact are not being true to the scientific evidence. They copy the tactics of the chief priests and the Pharisees of Jesus’ day.

I'm sorry but I had to cut the rant-fest you were on. It's not because I'm not a believer in your book rather it's not important to the debate.

Now, on to your comment. The problem with you is you appear to know nothing of the scientific method or what the ToE says. If you understood the scientific method you'd understand that a hypothesis goes through testing and is "independently" peer reviewed before it can be worthy of being regarded as a theory. In some cases hypotheses are rejected. So not all hypotheses are excepted.

You and others seem to be under the impression there is some (World Wide) scientific conspiracy but the problems you face are really your ignorance. You don't even want to gain an understanding of the method, you're not interested in said theory.....and it seems that everyone from your side is some sort of hack, liar and/or criminal who's not even remotely qualified to analyze the (available public data).

The ToE is not about creation but because it contradicts your outdated archaic book of fairy tales and tribal stories you so dearly believe you're bent on trying to refute it. If supposed smarter more educated people before you weren't able to what hopes do you think you have? All scientific data available in various fields of study disagree with the biblical plagiarized claim of a world wide flood.

Evolutionists today use the same Pharisaic approach: ‘Believe as we do,’ they say.​

No scientist of any field of science says or believes this. If you can show me I'll be happy to concede but just because you don't understand the scientific method shows more about you.

‘All competent scientists believe evolution.

Well, what's the problem then? If he/she/them are incompetent then they surely need to be fired. Would you have a incompetent preacher/minister in charge of the church, incompetent car maker, incompetent teacher in the school teaching your kids....? See where I'm going? So YES......competent scientist should understand the ToE. For now it is the best description and evidence for the diversity of life.

All intelligent people believe it.

Well, they should at least "understand" it. Don't try to make it into a belief system. It's not religion. ToE can be falsified so what we now know can change. This kind of change is welcomed by the scientific community. If people "believe" evolution to be true it's because they understand the scientific method and they understand the evidence for it.

Only the uneducated and the ignorant don’t believe it.’

No. The uneducated simply don't know and may need a better understanding. The Ignorant have been presented the testable evidence and refuse it and don't want to understand it.

They know nothing of the weaknesses and inadequacies of evolutionary theory or its unsound speculations and hypothesized impossibilities—such as the origin of life from inanimate chemicals.

See, you're proving my point here. Evolution is not Abiogeneses. The ToE is about change and not about how life started.

So they are swept along by the repetitious mantras recited by evolution’s propagandizers. The theory becomes dogma, its preachers become arrogant, and dissenters reap disdainful abuse. The tactics work. They did in Jesus’ day; they do today.

If it were true you and others could prove this by presenting the evidence contrary to the theory but sadly you can't. So the only ones that are repeating their mantras, spreading propaganda, preaching and asserting their antiquated dogmatic tribal stories are the ignorant.....

Look, when I was young, before I knew better I looked upon the biblical deluge and thought to my self...WOW...a world wide flood killing everyone. But as I grew older I put away childish fairy tales. I understood they story was a copy of earlier flood myths. I learned and understood that wooden boats of any shape and of large side would not withstand the sea and violent storms along with massive floating debris bombarding the ship day and night.

Bottom line is there's no data available to suggest a WWF. There's not enough water to even cover the planet as you assert.

 

[Autodidact]

First, the ark was not a ship. It was chest-like in shape. It did not have to go anywhere just float.

Now explain how that helps. In reality, it makes the situation even worse for the poor ark. Why do you think ships aren't shaped like chests? duh.

"Bitumen". Bitumen's usefulness pre-dates the Flood (Gen 6:14).
There are three Hebrew words used for Bitumen's hardness:
Pitch (zepheth); Bitumen (chemar); and Kopher for overlaying woodwork.
JK Version used the word 'slime' for the Hebrew words.- Gen 14:10.

Moses papyrus ark was watertight.- Exodus 2:3.
Babylon's builders used bitumen- Gen 11:3.

Even today's Valley of Siddim in the Dead Sea area bits of bitumen have been washed ashore.

Did you know that bitumen is created from deposts of ancient microscopic algae that have been buried and subject to pressure for millions of years?

Now, again, exactly how does bitumen protect a wooden chest from being smashed by waves big enough to cut rock?

Where the Bible is silent we do not know how God kept the water-proofed Ark safe while floating.
The point being that once today's political world turns against the world's religious sector because it has run afoul playing false to God and Jesus, we don't know how, but God will protect, or keep safe, all men of goodwill through the coming global great tribulation on earth.
Rev 7:9,10,14; Matt 24:21.[/quote]

 

[Autodidact]

Scientists who repeat the mantra over and over that evolution is a confirmed fact are not being true to the scientific evidence. They copy the tactics of the chief priests and the Pharisees of Jesus’ day. When officers sent out to arrest Jesus came back without him, the Pharisees demanded: “‘Why is it you did not bring him in?’ The officers replied: ‘Never has another man spoken like this.’ In turn the Pharisees answered: ‘You have not been misled also, have you? Not one of the rulers or of the Pharisees has put faith in him, has he? But this crowd that does not know the Law are accursed people.’” (John 7:45-49) The tyranny of authority: ‘None of the important people, none of the educated people, accept Jesus as Messiah. Only the stupid accursed ones do.’

Evolutionists today use the same Pharisaic approach: ‘Believe as we do,’ they say. ‘All competent scientists believe evolution. All intelligent people believe it. Only the uneducated and the ignorant don’t believe it.’ By such intimidation and mental bullying, masses of people are herded into the evolutionists’ camp. They know nothing of the weaknesses and inadequacies of evolutionary theory or its unsound speculations and hypothesized impossibilities—such as the origin of life from inanimate chemicals. So they are swept along by the repetitious mantras recited by evolution’s propagandizers. The theory becomes dogma, its preachers become arrogant, and dissenters reap disdainful abuse. The tactics work. They did in Jesus’ day; they do today.​

Everything you have said is a pure, total, utter lie. I will now prove it. What are these supposed weaknesses and inadequacies?

 

[averageJOE]

Noah could easily preserve the wood with a tar-like preserve.
Maybe some of the wood was stolen.

Really? That's the best you can come up with? "Tar-like preserve"?

 

[averageJOE]

I'm sometimes surprised at the objections people raise to the historical account of Noah and the Flood. To the first 2 questions you ask I have to respond "Are you being serious? Seriously?"

Yes, I'm very serious.
In that 40-50 years how did Noah prevent wood rot? (You do know that wood does in fact rot, right?) This is a legitament question an 8 year old would ask.
And, if the people of the world were so wicked and corrupted, how did Noah keep these people from stealing his wood? Building such a large boat or chest would require a large area with lots of supplies, free for the taking.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

As the Ark was being built couldn't some of it have been pieced together little by little instead of collecting all of the wood first then assembling? It would be harder to steal that way. As Genesis 6:14 says the Ark was covered with pitch within and without. The pitch (Bitumen) would have been the sealer or waterproofer. How would one know how fast wood would decay under the climate conditions before the Flood?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Now explain how that helps. In reality, it makes the situation even worse for the poor ark. Why do you think ships aren't shaped like chests? duh.

Did you know that bitumen is created from deposts of ancient microscopic algae that have been buried and subject to pressure for millions of years?

Now, again, exactly how does bitumen protect a wooden chest from being smashed by waves big enough to cut rock?

Where the Bible is silent we do not know how God kept the water-proofed Ark safe while floating.
The point being that once today's political world turns against the world's religious sector because it has run afoul playing false to God and Jesus, we don't know how, but God will protect, or keep safe, all men of goodwill through the coming global great tribulation on earth.
Rev 7:9,10,14; Matt 24:21.

[/quote]

Ships have to go somewhere. Be directed somewhere. All the Ark had to do was float.

Genesis 6:14 says the Ark was covered with pitch within and without.
This pitch is from the Hebrew word zepheth. This would be the sticky liquid form of bitumen or tar. Exodus 2:3 KJV says slime and pitch. This slime was bitumen. There was no need to keep the Ark from being smashed just waterproofed. The Ark was not traveling anywhere. Surely God could have kept the Ark from hitting something or being hit by big waves.

 

[darkendless]

As the Ark was being built couldn't some of it have been pieced together little by little instead of collecting all of the wood first then assembling? It would be harder to steal that way. As Genesis 6:14 says the Ark was covered with pitch within and without. The pitch (Bitumen) would have been the sealer or waterproofer. How would one know how fast wood would decay under the climate conditions before the Flood?

The wood would have rotted before it could be constructed. If it was "pieced" together there would be critical moments around these pieces and with the shear and ultimate strength of wood being very low, the Ark would have broken. Pitch is heavy and dense, if it was completely coated it would have made the ark slow and cumbersome.

How do you account for the fact that any impacts with the wood constructed ship would smash it to splinters?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Slow and cumbersome in this case might have been an asset since the Ark was not needing to do anything but float.

What is known about the wood of Genesis 6:14 a ?

Surely God could have kept the Ark (chest; rectangular box) from any impacts.