Noahs Ark

[rusra02]

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We use the same word for DAY also with totally different meanings. For example:

• My great grandfather's day
• I worked day and night
• There will come a day...
• a 24 hour day

Genesis 2:4 states "This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

So clearly the the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period.

 

[rusra02]

You should be sued for slander. This is an utter, total, absolute lie. I'm guessing someone is feeding you this trash; you should stop eating it.

Showing someone to be wrong is NOT the same as branding them a heretic. It's the opposite.

Tell you what, why don't you present the overwhelming evidence in favor of the theory that God magically poofed two of each species into existence 6000 years ago, so we can annihilate it.

Perhaps you would like to sue Rick Santorum, former U.S. Senator for his article in the Philadelphia Inquirer of 12/17/09 "The Elephant in the Room: Challenging science dogma"

"Questioning the scientific consensus in pursuit of the truth is an important part of how science has advanced through the centuries. But what happens when the scientific consensus becomes an ideology that trumps the pursuit of truth? Answer: Those making legitimate inquiries are ostracized, the careers of dissenters are destroyed, and debate is stifled.

Unfortunately, I am referring not only to the current proponents of the theory of man-made global warming. In 2001, I offered a legislative amendment about teaching the subject of evolution. I caught more flak for this simple amendment than for almost anything else I championed in the Senate....
My amendment passed 91-8. The next day, the High Priests of Darwinism went berserk. How dare the Senate suggest there is any controversy surrounding evolution? The amendment, they argued, was an attempt to bring God into the classroom."
Then there is Ben Stein's movie "Expelled- No Intelligence Allowed". Suing him ought to silence these pesky people who believe in God.

A few examples of dogmatic statements made by evolutionists. Scientist H.. S. Shelton asserts that the concept of special creation is “too foolish for serious consideration.” Biologist Richard Dawkins bluntly states: “If you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane.” Similarly, Professor René Dubos says: “Most enlightened persons now accept as a fact that everything in the cosmos—from heavenly bodies to human beings—has developed and continues to develop through evolutionary processes.”
How many scientific establishments would hire or promote a person who is 'ignorant, stupid, or insane"?
Yet, there are highly educated men and women who do not advocate the theory of evolution. “I found many scientists with private doubts,” writes Francis Hitching in his book The Neck of the Giraffe, “and a handful who went so far as to say that Darwinian evolutionary theory had turned out not to be a scientific theory at all.”​

 

[Baydwin]

Why can't people just take these stories in the spirit in which they were intended? No one reads Dante or Milton as historical truths, why these myths?

 

[rusra02]

Why can't people just take these stories in the spirit in which they were intended? No one reads Dante or Milton as historical truths, why these myths?

The Bible is quite clear in its intent to present the Flood of Noah's day as historical fact. Jesus and his apostles believed and taught the historicity of the great Deluge (and other historical events recorded in the Bible blithely labeled 'myths' by many). A similar question might be asked "Why are so many so quick to deny Bible history?" One possible reason: the consequences of belief are too much to consider for many people.

 

[Baydwin]

The Bible is quite clear in its intent to present the Flood of Noah's day as historical fact. Jesus and his apostles believed and taught the historicity of the great Deluge (and other historical events recorded in the Bible blithely labeled 'myths' by many). A similar question might be asked "Why are so many so quick to deny Bible history?" One possible reason: the consequences of belief are too much to consider for many people.

How long did Noah have to build the ark and collect two of each animal?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Perhaps you would like to sue Rick Santorum, former U.S. Senator for his article in the Philadelphia Inquirer of 12/17/09 "The Elephant in the Room: Challenging science dogma"

"Questioning the scientific consensus in pursuit of the truth is an important part of how science has advanced through the centuries. But what happens when the scientific consensus becomes an ideology that trumps the pursuit of truth? Answer: Those making legitimate inquiries are ostracized, the careers of dissenters are destroyed, and debate is stifled.

Unfortunately, I am referring not only to the current proponents of the theory of man-made global warming. In 2001, I offered a legislative amendment about teaching the subject of evolution. I caught more flak for this simple amendment than for almost anything else I championed in the Senate....
My amendment passed 91-8. The next day, the High Priests of Darwinism went berserk. How dare the Senate suggest there is any controversy surrounding evolution? The amendment, they argued, was an attempt to bring God into the classroom."
Then there is Ben Stein's movie "Expelled- No Intelligence Allowed". Suing him ought to silence these pesky people who believe in God.

A few examples of dogmatic statements made by evolutionists. Scientist H.. S. Shelton asserts that the concept of special creation is “too foolish for serious consideration.” Biologist Richard Dawkins bluntly states: “If you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane.” Similarly, Professor René Dubos says: “Most enlightened persons now accept as a fact that everything in the cosmos—from heavenly bodies to human beings—has developed and continues to develop through evolutionary processes.”
How many scientific establishments would hire or promote a person who is 'ignorant, stupid, or insane"?
Yet, there are highly educated men and women who do not advocate the theory of evolution. “I found many scientists with private doubts,” writes Francis Hitching in his book The Neck of the Giraffe, “and a handful who went so far as to say that Darwinian evolutionary theory had turned out not to be a scientific theory at all.”​

Look, at best...., on the side of creationism all you could offer is conjecture to students. It will no doubt start out stating that "In the bible........" but that's not scientific because there's not way to test that hypothesis. How do we present "testable evidence" that a god is the creator? Which god of which religion will we be subjecting the students to, all or one?

Intelligent Design faces the same problem. There's no way on a scientific level to introduce these concepts to students and convince them of the possibilities without proselytizing. At best the idea of an unknown creator is in the field of theology and/or philosophy.

What I find interesting is this idea to eliminate evolution from the school curriculum. No other scientific theory has been presented to the contrary. The other thing is Evolution says nothing for or against a god or a creator. It's silent on the issue.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

The Bible is quite clear in its intent to present the Flood of Noah's day as historical fact. Jesus and his apostles believed and taught the historicity of the great Deluge (and other historical events recorded in the Bible blithely labeled 'myths' by many). A similar question might be asked "Why are so many so quick to deny Bible history?" One possible reason: the consequences of belief are too much to consider for many people.

No. Because you'll find that a lot of scientist are theist. A lot of them are of the Christian faith but the "Evidence" for a WWF is not there. Scientist, no matter what their faith, can not support a hypothesis if the evidence for it is not there. If they do they are being dishonest. The fact is the biblical deluge is a myth and has been redacted from earlier myths.

 

[rusra02]

How long did Noah have to build the ark and collect two of each animal?

The Bible does not specifically say. When Noah was 480 years old, Jehovah decreed: “My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.” (Genesis 6:3) . After reaching the age of 500, he “became father to Shem, Ham and Japheth,” and custom of those days suggests that 50 to 60 years passed before his sons got married. That would mean a period of 40-50 years to build the ark, doubtless with assistance from his family.
God gave Noah 7 days advance notice of when the flood would come, giving him and his family time to make final preparations and enter the ark. (Genesis 7:1-5)

 

[Arlanbb]

We use the same word for DAY also with totally different meanings. For example:

• My great grandfather's day
• I worked day and night
• There will come a day...
• a 24 hour day

Genesis 2:4 states "This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

So clearly the the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period.

Yes you are correct that in 2;4 the Hebrew word day "yowm" has a different meaning but there is a reason for it because "yowm" is in the singular with an attached infinitive used to indicate an extended period of time. In the newer translations the translations recognize that in this case "yowm" refers to the time of the entire creation of the heavens and the earth. The American Translation give it "At the time when God made the earth and the heavens."

YOU have not answered my question about what God said in the 4th commandment where God was very clear that our days of the 7 day week = God's 7 days of creation. None of the words 'day' or "yowm" in Ex. 20:8-11 have the attached infinitive like Gen 2:4 have so there is no comparison between the two. God said human work 6 days and God worked 6 days, humans are to remember the 7 days as the Sabbath because God rested on the 7th days and blessed it. It is so plain and simple a child could see it.:yes:

 

[Autodidact]

Perhaps you would like to sue Rick Santorum, former U.S. Senator for his article in the Philadelphia Inquirer of 12/17/09 "The Elephant in the Room: Challenging science dogma"

Someone should. He's a wing-nut for sure.

"Questioning the scientific consensus in pursuit of the truth is an important part of how science has advanced through the centuries. But what happens when the scientific consensus becomes an ideology that trumps the pursuit of truth? Answer: Those making legitimate inquiries are ostracized, the careers of dissenters are destroyed, and debate is stifled.

Unfortunately, I am referring not only to the current proponents of the theory of man-made global warming. In 2001, I offered a legislative amendment about teaching the subject of evolution. I caught more flak for this simple amendment than for almost anything else I championed in the Senate....
My amendment passed 91-8. The next day, the High Priests of Darwinism went berserk. How dare the Senate suggest there is any controversy surrounding evolution? The amendment, they argued, was an attempt to bring God into the classroom."
Then there is Ben Stein's movie "Expelled- No Intelligence Allowed". Suing him ought to silence these pesky people who believe in God.

A few examples of dogmatic statements made by evolutionists. Scientist H.. S. Shelton asserts that the concept of special creation is “too foolish for serious consideration.” Biologist Richard Dawkins bluntly states: “If you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane.” Similarly, Professor René Dubos says: “Most enlightened persons now accept as a fact that everything in the cosmos—from heavenly bodies to human beings—has developed and continues to develop through evolutionary processes.”
How many scientific establishments would hire or promote a person who is 'ignorant, stupid, or insane"?
Yet, there are highly educated men and women who do not advocate the theory of evolution. “I found many scientists with private doubts,” writes Francis Hitching in his book The Neck of the Giraffe, “and a handful who went so far as to say that Darwinian evolutionary theory had turned out not to be a scientific theory at all.”​

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Yup, Rick Santorum doesn't have a clue and Ben Stein is one of the people who's been lying to you. The reason that scientists object to "teaching the controversy" is that there is no scientific controversy on the subject. It was clearly established, well-supported and part of the foundation of scientific knowledge we can build on almost a hundred years ago. We can now move on to other questions and continue to progress. We don't need to go back and "unlearn" it due to a manufactured political objection any more than we needed to go back and unlearn the fact that the earth revolves around the sun, just because the religious establishment of the day didn't like that fact. We could move on and learn more details about the planets and their movements based on that knowledge.

Science isn't made by Senators or film-makers; it's made by scientists. I doubt that you can name me ten Biologists, out of the world's thousands, who reject the Theory of Evolution.

It's done. It's over. We had this controversy 100 years ago and settled it. Time to move on.

As for you, lying does not help your cause. Creationism is kept out of science not because it's controversial, but because it's (1) not science (2) wrong. That's quite different from rejecting it because it's controversial. It's not. There is no scientific controversy on the subject.

 

[Autodidact]

The Bible is quite clear in its intent to present the Flood of Noah's day as historical fact. Jesus and his apostles believed and taught the historicity of the great Deluge (and other historical events recorded in the Bible blithely labeled 'myths' by many). A similar question might be asked "Why are so many so quick to deny Bible history?" One possible reason: the consequences of belief are too much to consider for many people.

Wow, big bummer for people who believe it then, eh? Since it's clearly not.

 

[averageJOE]

The Bible does not specifically say. When Noah was 480 years old, Jehovah decreed: “My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.” (Genesis 6:3) . After reaching the age of 500, he “became father to Shem, Ham and Japheth,” and custom of those days suggests that 50 to 60 years passed before his sons got married. That would mean a period of 40-50 years to build the ark, doubtless with assistance from his family.
God gave Noah 7 days advance notice of when the flood would come, giving him and his family time to make final preparations and enter the ark. (Genesis 7:1-5)

In that 40-50 years to build the ark how was Noah able to keep the wood from rotting? And in that 40-50 years how was Noah and his family able to keep all of those evil, wicked people that God was about to kill from stealing their wood? And why, according to you, can the word "day" mean more than one thing but the word "year" means exactly that, ONE YEAR?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Noah could easily preserve the wood with a tar-like preserve.
Maybe some of the wood was stolen.

In prophecy, the word 'year' is often used in a special sense as the equivalent of being 360 days (12 months of 30 days each) See Rev 11:2,3. Year is also called a 'time' and is occasionally represented symbolically by a 'day'. Rev 12:6,14; Ezekiel 4:5,6.

 

[Charity]

Noah could easily preserve the wood with a tar-like preserve.
Maybe some of the wood was stolen.

In prophecy, the word 'year' is often used in a special sense as the equivalent of being 360 days (12 months of 30 days each) See Rev 11:2,3. Year is also called a 'time' and is occasionally represented symbolically by a 'day'. Rev 12:6,14; Ezekiel 4:5,6.

If God told him to build the ark then I'm sure God would have preserved the wood.

However I'm sure Noah provided a lot of entertainment for his neighbors, wondering about his sanity........

 

[freethinker44]

If God told him to build the ark then I'm sure God would have preserved the wood.

However I'm sure Noah provided a lot of entertainment for his neighbors, wondering about his sanity........

If god could have preserved the wood, why would he need an ark built, why not just preserve noah and all the animals until after the flood.

 

[Charity]

If god could have preserved the wood, why would he need an ark built, why not just preserve noah and all the animals until after the flood.

Because without building the ark there would have been no story....
It was more exciting this way, after all what would the children that attended bible school have done without this story?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

If god could have preserved the wood, why would he need an ark built, why not just preserve noah and all the animals until after the flood.

Why not poof all the wicked people away and avoid all the theatrics.....?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Because without building the ark there would have been no story....
It was more exciting this way, after all what would the children that attended bible school have done without this story?

Great scare tactic and an attempt at mind control over the dumb and/or uneducated....

 

[freethinker44]

Why not poof all the wicked people away and avoid all the theatrics.....?

Now that's just ridiculous.

 

[Charity]

Great scare tactic and an attempt at mind control over the dumb and/or uneducated....

I really don't see it as a scare tactic or mind control but I do see it as a "childrens story"......Get my drift..... most children like stories about animals...