Noahs Ark

[darkendless]

Slow and cumbersome in this case might have been an asset since the Ark was not needing to do anything but float.

What is known about the wood of Genesis 6:14 a ?

Surely God could have kept the Ark (chest; rectangular box) from any impacts.

Wood is wood. Average ultimate stress of unengineered wood is 14 MPA. Compare that to average steel of 200 MPA. Its a little bit different don't you think? Slow and cumbersome means it would also be difficult for the ark to avoid obstacles, such as mountains which had no quite flooded over yet.

If you want to abolish all logic and reason and believe the fairy tale that the ark existed then you might as well throw all intelligence out the door and believe God helped the ark on its way.

However, hell will freeze over before any reasonable scientist will accept that a global flood mandating an ark would happen.

EDIT:

If the ark was rectangular wood would decay at a rapid rate due to cavitation behind the leeward face of the ark. This story is becomming more and more rediculous.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Actually hell is not hot. Hell (sheol/hades) is simply the common grave of mankind.
Even the Irish have an expression of helling potatoes. It is not roasting them but simply burying them.

Reasonable scientists have their doom and gloom doomsday clock set close to striking the dark midnight hour for all mankind. Whereas Scripture shows there will be divine intervention into mankind's affairs during these last days of badness on earth, ridding the earth of all badness, and once again earth will be a beautiful paradise for men of goodwill.

 

[darkendless]

Actually hell is not hot. Hell (sheol/hades) is simply the common grave of mankind.
Even the Irish have an expression of helling potatoes. It is not roasting them but simply burying them.

Reasonable scientists have their doom and gloom doomsday clock set close to striking the dark midnight hour for all mankind. Whereas Scripture shows there will be divine intervention into mankind's affairs during these last days of badness on earth, ridding the earth of all badness, and once again earth will be a beautiful paradise for men of goodwill.

You pretty much ignored all of my post and instead posted unrelated stuff

 

[Autodidact]

Ships have to go somewhere. Be directed somewhere. All the Ark had to do was float.

Genesis 6:14 says the Ark was covered with pitch within and without.
This pitch is from the Hebrew word zepheth. This would be the sticky liquid form of bitumen or tar. Exodus 2:3 KJV says slime and pitch. This slime was bitumen. There was no need to keep the Ark from being smashed just waterproofed. The Ark was not traveling anywhere. Surely God could have kept the Ark from hitting something or being hit by big waves.[/quote]

Yes, God could have done anything he wanted, in the world of signs and magic. God could have made the ark out of tissue paper and filled it with elephants and hippos. O.K. fine, in fairy-world, the land of myths, the rules of physics are suspended and anything is possible. And that is the world you choose to live in. More pity you. But don't call it reality, don't confuse it with science, and don't inflict it on the rest of us.

 

[Autodidact]

The wood would have rotted before it could be constructed. If it was "pieced" together there would be critical moments around these pieces and with the shear and ultimate strength of wood being very low, the Ark would have broken. Pitch is heavy and dense, if it was completely coated it would have made the ark slow and cumbersome.

How do you account for the fact that any impacts with the wood constructed ship would smash it to splinters?

Because God protected it with His magic. duh.

 

[Autodidact]

Slow and cumbersome in this case might have been an asset since the Ark was not needing to do anything but float.

What is known about the wood of Genesis 6:14 a ?

Surely God could have kept the Ark (chest; rectangular box) from any impacts.

URA seems to be under the (hilarious) impression that being rectangular saves the ark from being splintered to smithereens by waves strong enough to carve the Grand Canyon. It seems to be a powerful magical shape. It also allows enough room inside to house all of the world's animals, not unlike Harry Potter's tent.

 

[Autodidact]

Actually hell is not hot. Hell (sheol/hades) is simply the common grave of mankind.
Even the Irish have an expression of helling potatoes. It is not roasting them but simply burying them.

Reasonable scientists have their doom and gloom doomsday clock set close to striking the dark midnight hour for all mankind. Whereas Scripture shows there will be divine intervention into mankind's affairs during these last days of badness on earth, ridding the earth of all badness, and once again earth will be a beautiful paradise for men of goodwill.

And golden fairies will dart from place to place sprinkling magical sparkles on all and sundry, while amazing magic penguins do the cakewalk to the amazement of all.

Meanwhile, back at reality...

 

[averageJOE]

As the Ark was being built couldn't some of it have been pieced together little by little instead of collecting all of the wood first then assembling? It would be harder to steal that way. As Genesis 6:14 says the Ark was covered with pitch within and without. The pitch (Bitumen) would have been the sealer or waterproofer. How would one know how fast wood would decay under the climate conditions before the Flood?

Ships have to go somewhere. Be directed somewhere. All the Ark had to do was float.

Genesis 6:14 says the Ark was covered with pitch within and without.
This pitch is from the Hebrew word zepheth. This would be the sticky liquid form of bitumen or tar. Exodus 2:3 KJV says slime and pitch. This slime was bitumen. There was no need to keep the Ark from being smashed just waterproofed. The Ark was not traveling anywhere. Surely God could have kept the Ark from hitting something or being hit by big waves.

I love it!! The classic "God dunnit!!" argument!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

URA seems to be under the (hilarious) impression that being rectangular saves the ark from being splintered to smithereens by waves strong enough to carve the Grand Canyon. It seems to be a powerful magical shape. It also allows enough room inside to house all of the world's animals, not unlike Harry Potter's tent.

Since the Ark was not going to a specific destination there would be no need for it to be built like a steering ship. What is magical of the Ark's proportion of length to width (6 to 1) ? 437 ft 6in X 72 ft 11 in X 43 ft 9 in. It came to rest on Ararat (Gen 8:4). Not all of the world's animals were inside. Gen 7:2,3.

 

[Autodidact]

Since the Ark was not going to a specific destination there would be no need for it to be built like a steering ship. What is magical of the Ark's proportion of length to width (6 to 1) ? 437 ft 6in X 72 ft 11 in X 43 ft 9 in. It came to rest on Ararat (Gen 8:4). Not all of the world's animals were inside. Gen 7:2,3.

Hello, earth to URA. It's floating on an enormous ocean buffeted by huge waves and hideous tempests. The water is moving so strongly that (according to you) it can carve a thousand foot deep canyon. If it can cut through rock, it would smash a box to oblivion, and being rectangular makes that worse, not better.

Now if you want to say that God put a magic force field around the ark go ahead. Just don't confuse your mythology with science, and admit that you prefer to remain in the ancient world of myth and magic while the rest of us accept scientific progress.

I understand that your position is that Noah had two of each land species, right?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

What about fish.

I mean did noah have tanks in the ark to hold all those fish that could not survive in fresh water.

-Q

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Job 21:3

 

[sonofskeptish]

Job 21:3

It's hard not to mock the mockworthy.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Not according to Genesis 7:2,3. Genesis 6:19,20 says after their 'kinds'.

 

[painted wolf]

Seven of each of the clean ones.

wa:do

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That 7th one would be for the sacrifice mentioned at Genesis 8:20.
This way that still would leave three male and three female to reproduce.

 

[painted wolf]

seven is a much larger number than two.

wa:do

 

[Autodidact]

Not according to Genesis 7:2,3. Genesis 6:19,20 says after their 'kinds'.

And you have defined "kind" as the same as a species. (*is tired of going over the same simple points again and again.*)

 

[sandy whitelinger]

seven is a much larger number than two.

wa:do

It all makes sense now.

 

[painted wolf]

It all makes sense now.

Glad I could help. :woohoo:

wa:do