Autodidact
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I'm confused. Do you or do you not have Noah's log?
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Noahs Ark
- Thread starter zodiacseven
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I'm confused. Do you or do you not have Noah's log?
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Genesis 5:1
This is the book of the generations of Adam In the day that God created man in the likeness of God made he him
I do not see where it says Adam wrote a book. I do see that it is a book about the generations of Adam.
And what scriptural reference do you have that implies Noah kept a log?
Refer to Tumbleweed's post #1342. His questions mirror mine and saves you time answering two of us.
The book of generation would be a history or historical origins at Gen 5:1,2. Genesis 2:4 begins with these are the generations or history for us. Adam would be the one to be there to write a record that Moses could have used to write Genesis with Adam's history.
Jesus believed about Noah.- Matt 24:37.
The Bible provides chronological information in order to count back to Genesis.
Gen 5:1-29 genealogical line from Adam to Noah.
Deluge began 600th year of Noah's life Gen 7:11.
There is a pivotal date of 539 BC(BCE) when Cyrus overthrew Babylon.
That marked the 70 year desolation which Bible record has at 607 BC(BCE).
The account of judges and kings determines the Exodus to be 1513 BC(BCE). Chronology takes us back 430 years to Abraham in 1943 BC(BCE).
Life spans of those include Arpachshad who was born two years after the Deluge- Gen 11:10-32. That make the Flood 2370 BC(BCE)
Noah divided the year into 12 months of 30 days each. First month started middle of our calendar month September. Flood waters began 2nd month on 17th day of the month. That would be 40 days 40 nights during months Nov/ Dec 2370.
Details also regarding Deluge log at Gen 7:24-8:4. 150 days or five moths later the ark came to rest on Ararat in April 2369. At Gen 8:5-17 the tops of mountains appeared 73 days later or 10th month June. Three months later, first month or mid Sept 2369 Noah removed ark cover to see ground- Gen 8:13. One month and 27 days or 57 days later 2nd month 27th day mid Nov 2369 earth dried off. Noah spent one lunar year and ten days or 370 days in the ark..
With this info Moses based his writing of Genesis on those records or from Noah's log.
Jesus believed about Noah.- Matt 24:37.
The Bible provides chronological information in order to count back to Genesis.
Gen 5:1-29 genealogical line from Adam to Noah.
Deluge began 600th year of Noah's life Gen 7:11.
There is a pivotal date of 539 BC(BCE) when Cyrus overthrew Babylon.
That marked the 70 year desolation which Bible record has at 607 BC(BCE).
The account of judges and kings determines the Exodus to be 1513 BC(BCE). Chronology takes us back 430 years to Abraham in 1943 BC(BCE).
Life spans of those include Arpachshad who was born two years after the Deluge- Gen 11:10-32. That make the Flood 2370 BC(BCE)
Noah divided the year into 12 months of 30 days each. First month started middle of our calendar month September. Flood waters began 2nd month on 17th day of the month. That would be 40 days 40 nights during months Nov/ Dec 2370.
Details also regarding Deluge log at Gen 7:24-8:4. 150 days or five moths later the ark came to rest on Ararat in April 2369. At Gen 8:5-17 the tops of mountains appeared 73 days later or 10th month June. Three months later, first month or mid Sept 2369 Noah removed ark cover to see ground- Gen 8:13. One month and 27 days or 57 days later 2nd month 27th day mid Nov 2369 earth dried off. Noah spent one lunar year and ten days or 370 days in the ark..
With this info Moses based his writing of Genesis on those records or from Noah's log.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
So the answer is no, you have no actual scripture referring to "Noah's Log".
Only speculation based on the incorrect assumption that Moses actually wrote the Torah.
Only speculation based on the incorrect assumption that Moses actually wrote the Torah.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
So I take it you don't have a ship's log from Noah? That was just baloney you were spouting?
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
URAVIP2ME may not have one, but fortunately a fragment has fallen into my hands. Roughly translated it goes
If only we had more.
LOL Ham's probably the reason eating pork was outlawed....:run:
URAVIP2ME
Jesus believed about Noah.- Matt 24:37. Only because Jesus read it in the Hebrew bible.
That make the Flood 2370 BC(BCE) According to the book "Past Worlds, Atlas of Archeaology" there were at least eight different groups of humans that were alive and living in different parts of the world in 2400 BC. One hundred years latter these same eight groups of humans were still alive living in there same area of the world as in 2400 BC.
1 Old Jericho
2 Megiddo
3 Egyptian culture
4 Ur civilization
5 Indus civilization
6 Sumer culture
7 Sodom/Gomorrah culture
8 Mesoamerica culture
If the Genesis flood really happened why is it that all over the world none of these eight different groups of humans knew about it and went and died off like the bible said they should have done???? I would like a resonable answer to that question.
:yes:
Jesus believed about Noah.- Matt 24:37. Only because Jesus read it in the Hebrew bible.
That make the Flood 2370 BC(BCE) According to the book "Past Worlds, Atlas of Archeaology" there were at least eight different groups of humans that were alive and living in different parts of the world in 2400 BC. One hundred years latter these same eight groups of humans were still alive living in there same area of the world as in 2400 BC.
1 Old Jericho
2 Megiddo
3 Egyptian culture
4 Ur civilization
5 Indus civilization
6 Sumer culture
7 Sodom/Gomorrah culture
8 Mesoamerica culture
If the Genesis flood really happened why is it that all over the world none of these eight different groups of humans knew about it and went and died off like the bible said they should have done???? I would like a resonable answer to that question.
:yes:
URAVIP2ME
Jesus believed about Noah.- Matt 24:37. Only because Jesus read it in the Hebrew bible.
That make the Flood 2370 BC(BCE) According to the book "Past Worlds, Atlas of Archeaology" there were at least eight different groups of humans that were alive and living in different parts of the world in 2400 BC. One hundred years latter these same eight groups of humans were still alive living in there same area of the world as in 2400 BC.
1 Old Jericho
2 Megiddo
3 Egyptian culture
4 Ur civilization
5 Indus civilization
6 Sumer culture
7 Sodom/Gomorrah culture
8 Mesoamerica culture
If the Genesis flood really happened why is it that all over the world none of these eight different groups of humans knew about it and went and died off like the bible said they should have done???? I would like a resonable answer to that question.
Isn't 2400 a round number and not an exact year?
Couldn't those peoples or cultures have developed after 2370 even though some artifacts may be older than the Flood because people lived before the Flood and some of those found artifacts perhaps adopted by some cultures.
Doesn't the Egyptian culture's Book of the Dead mention destruction by water, a divine cause, warning given, humans spared, preserved in a vessel?
How about all of the other numerous Flood legends? No Flood, No Legends.
Autodidact
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The Egyptians and Chinese have written records of their dynasties, which start before the flood and continue right on through them. They failed to notice that they were underwater and had been destroyed. They were under the erroneous impression that their dynasties existed. How could anyone make that mistake?
footprints
Well-Known Member
Sorry zodiacseven, do you have an exact time period where this alledged legend of the ark took place? Seems to me like you are placing it somewhere in the Mesozoic era. Look your guess is as good as any other, what leads you to this conclusion?
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footprints
Well-Known Member
Hmmm interesting Auto, and exactly what date was this alledged flood again?
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
He's simply asking the question. He never said he believed it. This is actually something creationist believe...that man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. So..his question is a valid one.
Why Donât We Find Human & Dinosaur Fossils Together? - Answers in Genesis
"Biblical creationists believe that man and dinosaurs lived at the same time because God, a perfect eyewitness to history, said that He created man and land animals on Day 6 (Genesis 1:2431). Dinosaurs are land animals, so logically they were created on Day 6."
Unfortunately the evidence disagrees with their assertions.
Well, he's correct. There's no reference in that scroll in regards to dinosaurs.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
What difference does it make to Auto since it was not her that made the claim? It was URAVIP2ME that came up with the date. A quick hop around the web...others are in agreement on a "time frame". Auto is correct....We have evidence of other civilizations in existence before, during and after the flood...so the idea of a WWF is ludicrous. Not to mention, but I will, the geological evidence contradicts such an event happening in the past 10,000 years.
Autodidact
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I don't allege there was a flood. I'm responding to another poster who alleges there was, so I suggest you ask him.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Well because back then they didn't really need it cause everyone communicated telepathically!:faint:
Oh the good ole days..
Love
Dallas
LOL, don't ya just miss that? Saved so much time and misinterpretation of things. People never fought cause they just knew exactly what was being thought by the other. sigh...
You say "We have evidence of other civilizations in existence before, during and after the flood". What evidence? How does one tell when a civilization existed?
'Scientific dating?' Radioucarbon dating? This dating system measures the rate of decay of radioactive carbon from the point of death of the organism. Once an organism dies, it no longer absorbs new carbon dioxide from its environment, and the proportion of the isotope falls off over time as it undergoes radioactive decay, states Science and Technology Illustrated.
However, there are severe problems with the system. First, when the fossil is considered to be about 50,000 years old, its level of radioactivity has fallen so low that it can be detected only with great difficulty. Second, even in more recent specimens, this level has fallen so low that it is still extremely difficult to measure accurately. Third, scientists can measure the present-day rate of radioactive carbon formation but have no way of measuring carbon concentrations in the distant past.
So whether they use the radiocarbon method for dating fossils or other methods, such as employing radioactive potassium, uranium, or thorium, for dating rocks, scientists are unable to establish the original levels of those elements through ages of time. Thus, professor of metallurgy Melvin A. Cook observes: One may only guess these concentrations [of radioactive materials], and the age results thus obtained can be no better than this guess. That would especially be so when we consider that the Flood of Noahs day over 4,300 years ago brought enormous changes in the atmosphere and on earth.
Dartmouth College geologists Charles Officer and Charles Drake further add doubt to the accuracy of radioactive dating. They state: We conclude that iridium and other associated elements were not deposited instantaneously . . . but rather that there was an intense and variable influx of these constituents during a relatively short geologic time interval on the order of 10,000 to 100,000 years. They argue that the breakup and movement of the continents disrupted the entire globe, causing volcanic eruptions, blocking sunlight and fouling the atmosphere. Certainly, such disruptive events could change radioactivity levels, thus distorting results from modern-day radioactive clocks.
In other words, the clocks hands have been moved.
So whether they use the radiocarbon method for dating fossils or other methods, such as employing radioactive potassium, uranium, or thorium, for dating rocks, scientists are unable to establish the original levels of those elements through ages of time. Thus, professor of metallurgy Melvin A. Cook observes: One may only guess these concentrations [of radioactive materials], and the age results thus obtained can be no better than this guess. That would especially be so when we consider that the Flood of Noahs day over 4,300 years ago brought enormous changes in the atmosphere and on earth.
Dartmouth College geologists Charles Officer and Charles Drake further add doubt to the accuracy of radioactive dating. They state: We conclude that iridium and other associated elements were not deposited instantaneously . . . but rather that there was an intense and variable influx of these constituents during a relatively short geologic time interval on the order of 10,000 to 100,000 years. They argue that the breakup and movement of the continents disrupted the entire globe, causing volcanic eruptions, blocking sunlight and fouling the atmosphere. Certainly, such disruptive events could change radioactivity levels, thus distorting results from modern-day radioactive clocks.
In other words, the clocks hands have been moved.