Non-Christians obsessed with Christianity

[Faithofchristian]

All of them, in varying degrees.


Baloney. Taxpayers in Canada subsidize religions to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars per year.

My province's taxpayer-funded Christian schools cost an additional $1.6 billion in waste that could be eliminated by secularizing them and merging them into the public boards.

It's the law in my country that the head of state must be the head of a Christian church.

And as for hurting people... from child rape to driving kids to suicide to simply swindling people, you'd be hard-pressed to find a denomination that hasn't been plagued by scandal.


Let's start with you, then: what denomination do you belong to?

I don't belong to any Religious organizations or denomination.

But yet I'm Christian.

For some unknown reason, people believe because a person maybe a Christian, they automatically belong to some Religious organizations/denomination.

And i don't have any plans to either.

Therefore there are two groups of Christians in the world.
So the question is, Who's, who.

It's not hard to figure out, Who's, who, if a person knows what to look for.

As Christ Jesus lays it all out, in his own words in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Who's, who.

 

[TruthSeeker1]

I don't belong to any Religious organizations or denomination.

But yet I'm Christian.

For some unknown reason, people believe because a person maybe a Christian, they automatically belong to some Religious organizations/denomination.

And i don't have any plans to either.

Therefore there are two groups of Christians in the world.
So the question is, Who's, who.

It's not hard to figure out, Who's, who, if a person knows what to look for.

As Christ Jesus lays it all out, in his own words in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Who's, who.

Jesus didn't write the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. By now you should know that the bible wasn't written in the first person anywhere, by him.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Jesus didn't write the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. By now you should know that the bible wasn't written in the first person anywhere, by him.

Ate you absolutely positively sure about that

 

[TruthSeeker1]

Ate you absolutely positively sure about that

OMG. LOL. Not even going to have this conversation with you.

Start with learning the difference between first person and third person narrative.

 

[Faithofchristian]

OMG. LOL. Not even going to have this conversation with you.

Start with learning the difference between first person and third person narrative.

So you believe all the bible writers, came up with things all by themselves

 

[loganonekenobi]

Ate you absolutely positively sure about that

All of the new testament writings that have been recovered were written in greek. Jesus and his disiples spoke aramaic and would have written in hebrew.. Plus Jesus and his disiples were lower class poor which means it is almost certain that they were illiterate. History is never a 100% sure thing but there is what is most probably happened and what most probably did not happen. The first writings were from Paul who never even saw the living Jesus.
Just pointing out the facts. You're welcome.

 

[TruthSeeker1]

So you believe all the bible writers, came up with things all by themselves

You're asking a non believer if they think the bible is divinely inspired? What reason would I have to think it so? I don't believe in divinities. Yes, mortals wrote the books, and no, I'm not getting into a debate over the bible.

 

[Faithofchristian]

All of the new testament writings that have been recovered were written in greek. Jesus and his disiples spoke aramaic and would have written in hebrew.. Plus Jesus and his disiples were lower class poor which means it is almost certain that they were illiterate. History is never a 100% sure thing but there is what is most probably happened and what most probably did not happen. The first writings were from Paul who never even saw the living Jesus.
Just pointing out the facts. You're welcome.

It's amazing how you came up with all of that.
And still doesn't make any sense.

Seeing that God is all powerful, that he can do all things.
But from what your trying to say, God isn't powerful enough to help his prophets to read and write.
But yet God is all powerful and can do all things.
But God can't help his prophets to read and write.
So how is this to work.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You're asking a non believer if they think the bible is divinely inspired? What reason would I have to think it so? I don't believe in divinities. Yes, mortals wrote the books, and no, I'm not getting into a debate over the bible.

If your a non-believer as you say, my question to you is, Why do you even bother trying to answer questions that are way over your head.

It seems you coming to a Religious forums, your out of your league don't you think.

 

[syo]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity.

because there are billions of christians. this is the only reason for me. where i live 95% of the population are christians. if christianity wasn't popular, I wouldn't care at all.

 

[TruthSeeker1]

If your a non-believer as you say, my question to you is, Why do you even bother trying to answer questions that are way over your head.

It seems you coming to a Religious forums, your out of your league don't you think.

Who are you to tell me I'm in over my head? I've read biblical critique and scholarship and am aware of it but just can't be bothered to discuss it with you because....keep reading....
Do you have any idea how self righteous you sound, for a Christian? Just letting you know I'm not taking this further here, can't be bothered with ignorant people who think they have the answers to it all.
For the second time: this isn't a religious forum. It has sections for atheists and agnostics, and there are no rules here saying "religious people only" for posting. Get over yourself already. It's called free speech, being able to say what and where you like, on the internet as well. If you want to live in a little bubble where there's only religious posters or ones who agree with your views, go find such a space with such rules clearly posted.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

So you believe all the bible writers, came up with things all by themselves

Each of them came up with things unique to that writer, but there is also a lot of overlap in the synoptic gospels to tell us that they also shared information. It appears that the gospels of Luke and Matthew were drawn primarily from Mark, who wrote first, but that Luke and Matthew, who wrote about a generation later than Mark, also drew from other sources:

As you can see, there is material common to all three synoptic gospels (purple triple tradition) that indicates that Luke and Matthew were heavily influenced by Mark, as well as material common to Luke and Matthew not found in Mark indicating a second source familiar to those writers (Q source, or Q document).

Also, both Luke and Matthew have sizable fractions unique to just those gospels individually attributed to what are called the "L" and "M" sources (turquoise and green respectively), who might be the gospel writers themselves, or an external source that they copied.

Only 3% of Mark (brown) didn't make it into either Luke or Matthew ("unique to Mark"), 1% of Mark hat made it only into Luke (orange), and 10% of Mark that only made it into Matthew (red).

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't belong to any Religious organizations or denomination.

Every Christian does. To believe in Christianity, a person needs to believe in some variety of Christianity.

Even a denomination of one would still be a denomination.

But yet I'm Christian.

For some unknown reason, people believe because a person maybe a Christian, they automatically belong to some Religious organizations/denomination.

And i don't have any plans to either.

A Christian is some variety of Christian. That's all "denomination" means.

And while sole practitioner Christians like yourself exist, when we talk about Christianity as a whole, we're mostly talking about institutional Christianity. Even if you aren't getting tax breaks for your rigious practice, Christianity as a whole certainly is.

Therefore there are two groups of Christians in the world.
So the question is, Who's, who.

There are many more than that.

 

[TruthSeeker1]

It's amazing how you came up with all of that.
And still doesn't make any sense.

Seeing that God is all powerful, that he can do all things.
But from what your trying to say, God isn't powerful enough to help his prophets to read and write.
But yet God is all powerful and can do all things.
But God can't help his prophets to read and write.
So how is this to work.

It doesn't work, is how. If he's so powerful and mighty and loving, why couldn't he just forgive Eve and Adam right off the bat for their transgressions, instead of ensuring that every living person after them was going to have some inherited sin, supposedly? And if they didn't accept him, they'd end up in some hell? And we thought Hitler was bad!
Original sin is a mind****, anybody sensible person will agree.
The Christian God, we can see if we read the Old Testament in particular, is a petty, vengeful, jealous, malicious, and cruel. Massacre, plunder, rape of virgins etc, all are condoned and even ordered by him or done by him in the OT. Those who insist this god is "love" are living in a fantasyland.
Why do these "divinely inspired" texts only speak of hell in the New Testament? We only hear of sheol or "the grave" in the old testament. Perhaps Christianity is an addendum/revision of the Jewish tradition afterall
It's passing strange that god can only reveal himself to us through ancient texts or through "spirits" or "enlightenment" or "commands" or such that people supposedly experience nowadays. You'd think with all these all powerful qualities, he'd show himself for once without mere mortals having to argue that indeed, he's there.

 

[Faithofchristian]

It doesn't work, is how. If he's so powerful and mighty and loving, why couldn't he just forgive Eve and Adam right off the bat for their transgressions, instead of ensuring that every living person after them was going to have some inherited sin, supposedly? And if they didn't accept him, they'd end up in some hell? And we thought Hitler was bad!
Original sin is a mind****, anybody sensible person will agree.
The Christian God, we can see if we read the Old Testament in particular, is a petty, vengeful, jealous, malicious, and cruel. Massacre, plunder, rape of virgins etc, all are condoned and even ordered by him or done by him in the OT. Those who insist this god is "love" are living in a fantasyland.
Why do these "divinely inspired" texts only speak of hell in the New Testament? We only hear of sheol or "the grave" in the old testament. Perhaps Christianity is an addendum/revision of the Jewish tradition afterall
It's passing strange that god can only reveal himself to us through ancient texts or through "spirits" or "enlightenment" or "commands" or such that people supposedly experience nowadays. You'd think with all these all powerful qualities, he'd show himself for once without mere mortals having to argue that indeed, he's there.

God did show himself, but still people couldn't handle it. No more than people to day. Wouldn't handle it.

Have you any idea just who committed the original sin and it sure wasn't Adam and Eve, that's for sure.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Every Christian does. To believe in Christianity, a person needs to believe in some variety of Christianity.

Even a denomination of one would still be a denomination.

A Christian is some variety of Christian. That's all "denomination" means.

And while sole practitioner Christians like yourself exist, when we talk about Christianity as a whole, we're mostly talking about institutional Christianity. Even if you aren't getting tax breaks for your rigious practice, Christianity as a whole certainly is.


There are many more than that.

That all depends on which Christianity your referring to.

There's no Christians that gets tax breaks.

It's been said that the U.S. is not a Christian Nation, so if the United States is not a Christian Nation, how is it Christians get tax breaks as you say.
So you want people to believe that a
non-religious nation would give tax breaks to religious people.

That's like Atheists giving money to Religious organizations.
Can't be serious.

 

[TruthSeeker1]

God did show himself, but still people couldn't handle it. No more than people to day. Wouldn't handle it.

Have you any idea just who committed the original sin and it sure wasn't Adam and Eve, that's for sure.

I just can't be bothered, feel free to float your beliefs to others here, I had 35 years of it, it was more than enough. Adios.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I just can't be bothered, feel free to float your beliefs to others here, I had 35 years of it, it was more than enough. Adios.

Well it seems you haven't had enough, seeing you keep coming to religious sites
So what's that all about

It's seems you keep contradicting yourself.
35 years, try 68 years. now you may have something to go on
In all those 35 years, and you still haven't learned a thing
It seems all you want to do is complain.

 

[loganonekenobi]

It's amazing how you came up with all of that.
And still doesn't make any sense.

Seeing that God is all powerful, that he can do all things.
But from what your trying to say, God isn't powerful enough to help his prophets to read and write.
But yet God is all powerful and can do all things.
But God can't help his prophets to read and write.
So how is this to work.

I made up none on this. My obsevations are from historians that study the era in depth.
You are right. this wouldn't make sense IF there was a god.
Evidence will never sway a believer but it's still fun to show them.
My source currently for this information is an historian and textual critic named Dr Bart D. Ehrman. He is qualified to know (as best we can) what happened in those days.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I made up none on this. My obsevations are from historians that study the era in depth.
You are right. this wouldn't make sense IF there was a god.
Evidence will never sway a believer but it's still fun to show them.
My source currently for this information is an historian and textual critic named Dr Bart D. Ehrman. He is qualified to know (as best we can) what happened in those days.

Evidence will never sway a non-believer, when all evidence clearly points out, there is God.