Non-Christians. Why do you care so much about Christians and Christianity?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Thanks for this, Skwim. I doubt it will change the internet atheists though because atheism is part of the liberal creed. If I was an atheist, I would call myself jamesbondburnsinhell and be done with it.

Just gotta love that God that's as vicious as that, eh?

And they say "God is Love?" "Love" is NOT, in my opinion, all about getting your own way or else taking infinite revenge! But hey, if the belief works for you, just be sure that you know all the rules and haven't been accidently deceived about any of them. Or you just might call yourself jamesbondburnsinhell anyway.

 

[Riders]

AH yes interesting question. First place this is religious debate group. Its here for those who want to debate the worlds religions. Christianity is the one of the 3 biggest religions in the world, so of course in a religion debate group there will be discussion.

Heres another problem Id like to *** by anyone who wants to respond to my post. I live in Tx, personally I have been persecuted by Christians who preached at me and told me to get my *** into the Baptists church after they found out I quit the Pentecostal church. People who were mean and tried to dominate me.

I live in Mesquite Tx its like the conservative capital of Texas. But I believe in this state there is a lot of Christians who pick on and persecute non Christians those who go to different religions.

Theres been groups of Christians who protest our UU churches. They sometimes protest Jewish synagogues if you can believe it, they persecute so yes I think its a good thing to question Christianity.We have Christian hate groups out here.

 

[Dawnofhope]

So much so that you spend hours here debating and arguing with them post after post after post.

(And yes, I realize that I do it myself and that people might expect my answer, but rather than possibly influencing the answers of others I'm going to wait with mine. )

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Because Christianity has become something that Christ never intended IMHO. I grew up with Christianity and believe in same God, Christ, and Bible as the Christians but struggle with what Christianity has become. I believe there is a better way of understanding Christ's teachings.

 

[Riders]

Just a pro-life atheist walking by......please don't kill me

I don't see anything wrong with Atheists who are conservative.

 

[Riders]

As a general rule I do not debate religion be it with Christians, Muslims, Hindus or whatever. And, as a matter of fact, I have made clear my disapproval of one Jewish member of this forum whose whole reason d'etre seems to be to start threads here and on other forums disparaging Christianity.

The exception to my general rule is when either Jews or Judaism is misrepresented in a post or when a point being made relies on a mistranslation and/or misinterpretation of Jewish sources. When there is so much lack of knowledge among non-Jews about Jews and Judaism it would be a mistake to allow misinformation to go unchallenged and uncorrected.

However there have been Jewish Synagogues burned down by good old Christian teens and Christians who quite often protest Jewish Synogues. Sense your so completely sensitive to those who would debate Christians are you also interested in persecuting your Jewish Brothers and sisters that other Christians too?

 

[Riders]

Let me ask a question to the original poster. Sense you seem be suggesting that Christian are being persecuted and picked on in here in some way, then why do Christians go out of their way to debate ATheists why do you care, why do you persecute other people. Your not the ones being persecuted, Texan Christian haters are bullying and persecuting everyday, how can you dare complain being picked on in debate rooms?

In my state Christians are the ones doing the persecuting people don't you dare imply that Christians are being persecuted.

 

[columbus]

Just a pro-life atheist walking by......please don't kill me

Yeah, you need pretty thick skin to take on that topic around here, believe me.

It's offthread but did you see this:
Yes, There Are Pro-Life Atheists Out There. Here’s Why I’m One of Them
Tom

 

[Skwim]

Let me ask a question to the original poster. Sense you seem be suggesting that Christian are being persecuted and picked on in here in some way, then why do Christians go out of their way to debate ATheists why do you care, why do you persecute other people. Your not the ones being persecuted, Texan Christian haters are bullying and persecuting everyday, how can you dare complain being picked on in debate rooms?

In my state Christians are the ones doing the persecuting people don't you dare imply that Christians are being persecuted.

Should I assume that by "the original poster" you're referring to me, the originator of the thread?

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[james bond]

Just gotta love that God that's as vicious as that, eh?

And they say "God is Love?" "Love" is NOT, in my opinion, all about getting your own way or else taking infinite revenge! But hey, if the belief works for you, just be sure that you know all the rules and haven't been accidently deceived about any of them. Or you just might call yourself jamesbondburnsinhell anyway.

I suppose your first statement is one way to look at it, but I don't see it that way. Being vicious may be one description of a human, but a human may not be vicious. In other words, not everyone is vicious. This burning in hell seems to me some concept thought up in early Roman days. Weren't the Romans known for some vicious forms of punishment? Thus, they extended it to burning forever. When I was a child forever was explained to me as a bird that flies every 1,000 years to Venus and swipes it with its wing. Once the planet is rubbed to non-existence, then forever hasn't even begun. As for burning, it had to do with putting your hand near the stove. Instead of that concept, I come to believe that hell is one of woe. The person lost something that is near and dear to them and that is their spiritually perfect self and their perfect identity. That is what gets burned up in the lake of fire.

As for your second statement, what is the opposite of love? I think you described it right in your opinion, but didn't ascribe it correctly. It should be to man. God is Love and man is <blank>. It's not hate. Hate is another emotion. I guess it could be true if love were just an emotion. Isn't that what believing in God is about?

I don't think I've been accidentally deceived. If I were, then I would know about it and so would a lot of others.

As for your final sentence, I can call myself jamesbondburnsinhell, but then I wouldn't be on RF, but some other forum discussing other interests. Maybe that's just me and not you.

 

[james bond]

I would tattoo "Better to reign in hell, then serve in heaven" on my arm and go ride my Harley, too.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

I don't see anything wrong with Atheists who are conservative.

I'm not.

I'm somewhere between a centrist and left-leaning centrist.

 

[Lyndon]

a good example of proselytizing, which is against the TOS, by the way.

 

[Beth Stitely]

Jesus said "If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you." John 15:19

 

[wizanda]

John

John is made up.

 

[vijeno]

So much so that you spend hours here debating and arguing with them post after post after post.

I did, for quite some time.

Why?

Lots of emotional reasons, of course. I was brought up inside christianity, and I was a fundamentalist for 5 years or so. One does not normally leave a religion without some drama and bad feelings.

At least one of my close relatives is still inside christianity, and some of my friends. I think it is fairly obvious why I would concern myself with what matters a lot to my own family.

Right now, I don't concern myself with christianity a lot. I'm done with most questions regarding that religion, clarified my position, and moved on. For now, anyway.

I still think it's an important topic. It has so much influence over so many people. It is definitely a factor of power. As democrats and simply human beings who are aware of our environment, we have to deal with stuff like that.

 

[LuisDantas]

So much so that you spend hours here debating and arguing with them post after post after post.
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I don't think I do. Really, I do not.

Given a choice, I am far more likely to discuss the merits of Game of Thrones or Walking Dead characters than Christianity.

Of course, after a certain point one would spend more effort avoiding a subject matter than addressing it. There are about two billion Christians on Earth and that will have some consequences. And it turns out that Christianity is one of those subject matters with a troublesome tendency to expect, even demand, confrontation.

 

[Riders]

Jesus said "If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you." John 15:19

Well that's a huge issue for me why I don't believe in Christianity. Its not because this is true but because its not. Christians are only persecuted in other countries, but in AMerica Christians are the persecuters, the world loves Christianity in AMerica. So sense the world in America loves Christianity where did it go wrong?

 

[Jainarayan]

I'm trying desperately to find a way to respect Christianity. I don't want to think less of a person just because they're a devout Christian.

I'm in the same position. Even the most sincere and innocuous reference to the Christian God or Jesus by someone has me rolling my eyes, feeling disdain and even condescension.

 

[james bond]

Let me ask a question to the original poster. Sense you seem be suggesting that Christian are being persecuted and picked on in here in some way, then why do Christians go out of their way to debate ATheists why do you care, why do you persecute other people. Your not the ones being persecuted, Texan Christian haters are bullying and persecuting everyday, how can you dare complain being picked on in debate rooms?

In my state Christians are the ones doing the persecuting people don't you dare imply that Christians are being persecuted.

It's interesting that you think Christians are the ones doing the persecuting. My thinking is that it's the other way around on RF.

That said, you bring up Texan Christians who bully and persecute everyday. How do they do this? How do you know they're Christians? Is it really based on religion or politics?

 

[james bond]

I did, for quite some time.

Why?

Lots of emotional reasons, of course. I was brought up inside christianity, and I was a fundamentalist for 5 years or so. One does not normally leave a religion without some drama and bad feelings.

At least one of my close relatives is still inside christianity, and some of my friends. I think it is fairly obvious why I would concern myself with what matters a lot to my own family.

Right now, I don't concern myself with christianity a lot. I'm done with most questions regarding that religion, clarified my position, and moved on. For now, anyway.

I still think it's an important topic. It has so much influence over so many people. It is definitely a factor of power. As democrats and simply human beings who are aware of our environment, we have to deal with stuff like that.

The big issue I see between Christians are Catholics vs other Christians.