Non Muslims: anyone of you going to fast?

[Gharib]

Fasting isn't necessary for charity. The giving of food to the poor should be done at all times, not just when you're reminded for a month by an ascetesitic ritual. If a person requires some form of ritualistic abstinence to be remindeded about charity, that person needs to think about his or her ethical priorities. By that logic, one of the 5 pillars couldn't exist, because you couldn't give any of your income to charity if you deprived yourself of wealth.

muslims pay zakat (tax) every year to the poor. all the extra charity we give, is on top of this. i'm sure you know the difference between the due tax and charity.

but in the non muslims countries that tax goes to the rich, so the rich become richer and the poor end up dying.

 

[Gharib]

nah its not ausie ya drongo

g'day mate. (thats aussie slang)

i am not that good at slang, but i kind of know if it's ozzie or not. well i think i know.

 

[Madhuri]

g'day mate. (thats aussie slang)

i am not that good at slang, but i kind of know if it's ozzie or not. well i think i know.

Fair dinkum!

 

[Gharib]

Fair dinkum!

yep, i know that one.

and ths one, bugger.

 

[Madhuri]

yep, i know that one.

and ths one, bugger.

I use that one a lot. Though not sure if it is just Aussie.
Interesting thing is a lot of Aussie slang is actually enlgish originally. Like 'mate'.

 

[.lava]

shall we have a thread for slangs?? what do you think you dear citizens of Oztralia?






.

 

[Madhuri]

shall we have a thread for slangs?? what do you think you dear citizens of Oztralia?

Meh. Either way suits me.

 

[Zardoz]

Perhaps I misunderstood the thread title and post, but are you asking non Muslims, in the Islam section, if they practice a Muslim ritual on a Muslim holiday?

I'm also, unfortunately, a bit confused. Is this here for non-Muslims to post in your DIR? I try to avoid such intrusions. Are non-Muslims required to fast, or only invited to do so? In either case, is there a link on how to do this? I know your fasts are different from our fasts, which require that 3 stars be visible before the fast is over. That's usually like a 27 hour or so fast for us, no food or water. This year, your fast ends a full week before ours. If we are 'invited' to your fast, do any Muslims fast on Yom Kippur? That is also not just for us, but for anyone who feels the desire to do so.

 

[Gharib]

I'm also, unfortunately, a bit confused. Is this here for non-Muslims to post in your DIR? I try to avoid such intrusions.

i guess thats my bad. but see you don't know how to fast so it would be better if the thread was in the islamic DIR, the explanation would stay here too.

Are non-Muslims required to fast, or only invited to do so?

non muslims are not required to fast, i was just asking if anyone was going to. i live in a non islamic country, and i know that many non muslims fast during ramadan, but some do not know how it is done, so i asked if anyone was going to do so and then the other muslims and my self could help out if any help was needed.

In either case, is there a link on how to do this?

What is Ramadan if you can't understand any of that, then i will explain it to you if you wish.

I know your fasts are different from our fasts, which require that 3 stars be visible before the fast is over. That's usually like a 27 hour or so fast for us, no food or water.

isn't that a bit too long? i've had people say to me how can muslims fast for 12 hours or so, but i guess they haven't heard of your fasting ways. lol

This year, your fast ends a full week before ours. If we are 'invited' to your fast, do any Muslims fast on Yom Kippur? That is also not just for us, but for anyone who feels the desire to do so.

if your fast is one extra week after ours then that is on during the same time we have our end of ramadan celebrations (eidul fitr), we do not fast during those days.

and you probably can't fast during ramadan if your fast starts at the same time.

 

[BucephalusBB]

I have gone without food during the day before, strangly enough that was only because I wasn't hungry, not becuase I conciously chose to.
I try to listen to my own body as much as possible, so if I am getting hungry, I will eat. A hungry feeling means your body needs to eat and at that moment eating is the best thing to do for your body. For this reason I personally think it isn't wise to fast.

When it comes to understanding the poor/rich situation I thought of something better. While you are living like the poor and understanding them, I will try to live like the rich and eat even when I don't need to. While you are trying to understand the poor I will try to understand the rich and see what I can do there. Now THAT's teamwork!! :highfive:

 

[Gharib]

I have gone without food during the day before, strangly enough that was only because I wasn't hungry, not becuase I conciously chose to.
I try to listen to my own body as much as possible, so if I am getting hungry, I will eat. A hungry feeling means your body needs to eat and at that moment eating is the best thing to do for your body. For this reason I personally think it isn't wise to fast.

When it comes to understanding the poor/rich situation I thought of something better. While you are living like the poor and understanding them, I will try to live like the rich and eat even when I don't need to. While you are trying to understand the poor I will try to understand the rich and see what I can do there. Now THAT's teamwork!! :highfive:

do as you please BB. let us know when the pounds start climbing ey.

 

[BucephalusBB]

Say, do you think that the ramadan rules will ever change? Or did they?

I can imagine that these rules worked perfectly in the past, but if you want to feel and understand "poor" nowadays, you do need to turn off every electrical device as well, like mobile phones, tv and ... the internetz!!

 

[Sahar]

Actually there isn't something clear here; the main purpose of fasting is WORSHIP...other virtues like practicing patience, feeling the hungry...etc. are in addition to the main worship aspect.

 

[Sahar]

Say, do you think that the ramadan rules will ever change? Or did they?

I can imagine that these rules worked perfectly in the past, but if you want to feel and understand "poor" nowadays, you do need to turn off every electrical device as well, like mobile phones, tv and ... the internetz!!

Why? Did starvation vanish?! Or Maybe you are living in the "well-fed world", and the poor in your country are those who can not afford PCs, TVs..etc but there are MILLIONS of children die every year because they can not find nutrition or clean water...

 

[BucephalusBB]

Why?

As I do not understand the worshippingpart and think it's not to good for your health, the only explaination I can give to myself is the one given earlier, to understand what it is like to be poor.
Knowing it will be only one month and only eating at different times would be way less hard on me than losing my technology for a month, no lie. Nowadays, I think this applies to many people.

Did starvation vanish?!

Now where did I come with that?

Or Maybe you are living in the "well-fed world", and the poor in your country are those who can not afford PCs, TVs..etc but there are MILLIONS of children die every year because they can not find nutrition or clean water...

I was thinking both..
with other words giving up food AND technology..

 

[BucephalusBB]

Actually there isn't something clear here; the main purpose of fasting is WORSHIP...other virtues like practicing patience, feeling the hungry...etc. are in addition to the main worship aspect.

Yeah, but the question was towards non-muslims. Most of them will not worship the rules you do and some, like me, don't even know worship.

Besides, I just cannot connect "worship" and "fasting".

 

[Sahar]

You ignored the hungry one third of the world in your post, you talked about changing old rules because the poor now can not afford luxurious life.
And I am sure you can find many hard things to do... but this thread is about FASTING in the sense of giving up food and drink.

About the worship part; I was clearing up the Islamic concept of fasting as some people here seemed confused.

 

[BucephalusBB]

And I am sure you can find many hard things to do... but this thread is about FASTING in the sense of giving up food and drink.

I was actually just simply asking a question really. I guess I'll extract "no" out of it myself then..

About the worship part; I was clearing up the Islamic concept of fasting as some people here seemed confused.

I was and am one of them, in what way do you connect fasting with worship?

 

[Gharib]

I was actually just simply asking a question really. I guess I'll extract "no" out of it myself then..


I was and am one of them, in what way do you connect fasting with worship?

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/38064http://www.sunnah.org/ibadaat/fasting/fast.html

that will explain why we fast.

 

[BucephalusBB]

Islam Question and Answer - Why do Muslims fast?

that will explain why we fast.

Thank you eselam, the beginning of the text wasn't easy as explaination, but at the end it did come clear..
Although it seemed that the fasting was based more upon man's sins than of Allah's worship. In the end, they can be the same for you, I do not know.