Nonbelievers to Hell!

[AxisMundi]

I guess I was on the opposite end of this. I was a full scale non-believer in college. I saw scientific opinions (hypothesis at best) go unchallenged in my anthropology class. They all seemed as drone-like as religious folks do (which is scarier IMO). It just became easier to accept with most everyone in the class was a non-believer (most of them despising religion). Now, I realize that particular professor was wrong and that science has a self-correcting element to it. However, it is still ran by an epistemology that is naturalized, that is to say, an epistemology (under the guise of scientism) that interprets not only that the universe can show no evidence for God but that it looks exactly as it would be expected to look if there is no God. How in holy batman is that science? It's hogwash! Men and women in science hold biases, have emotions, hold age-old propositions, and all sorts of human goodies that affects how we interpret things. No one is immune to this. The difference is that religious folks admit that they have it and try to explain it under perspective systematic theology. Anyways, I've managed to go off in a tangent and it's good to hear you are still open. That's all that can be asked of you at this point. You are still young.

The trouble with your assertions, neighbor, is that there are a significant number of devout theists who support those same theories you claim go unanswered.

And since you ahve been to colelge, you should realize that the peer review process is vital to the scientific method as it strives to remove said personal biases.

 

[Meow Mix]

I guess I was on the opposite end of this. I was a full scale non-believer in college. I saw scientific opinions (hypothesis at best) go unchallenged in my anthropology class. They all seemed as drone-like as religious folks do (which is scarier IMO). It just became easier to accept with most everyone in the class was a non-believer (most of them despising religion). Now, I realize that particular professor was wrong and that science has a self-correcting element to it. However, it is still ran by an epistemology that is naturalized, that is to say, an epistemology (under the guise of scientism) that interprets not only that the universe can show no evidence for God but that it looks exactly as it would be expected to look if there is no God. How in holy batman is that science? It's hogwash! Men and women in science hold biases, have emotions, hold age-old propositions, and all sorts of human goodies that affects how we interpret things. No one is immune to this. The difference is that religious folks admit that they have it and try to explain it under perspective systematic theology. Anyways, I've managed to go off in a tangent and it's good to hear you are still open. That's all that can be asked of you at this point. You are still young.

I understand where you're coming from. There are most definitely an uncomfortable number of metaphysically challenged scientists.

However, with regard to your observation that they use a scientism epistemology, I'm sure that's true for some but it certainly isn't for all. The problem with leaving room for God to make His mark in science is sort of like leaving room for invisible, incorporeal dragons to make their marks in science -- not saying that to belittle, but making the point that beings which are posited to be unempirical are a bit difficult to probe with science.

Of course, science has indeed probed some aspects of various gods that cross into the empirical such as "God created a worldwide flood mere thousands of years ago" and has falsified them.

 

[Thief]

Why should spiritual life be connected to any god or belief?



The same way I receive every surprise in my life. I adapt.

We humans are good at that.

And you are assuming you are able?
And the choice belongs to you?

 

[Thief]

Why is that?

God created Man.
Times 6billion+

Obviously there is something left over when you die?
Your soul?

 

[Meow Mix]

That didn't make any sense whatsoever.

There are 6 billion humans, therefore souls exist.

Right. (Sigh)

 

[Penumbra]

Each of your five senses deliver to you some portion of this reality.
Your body is a teaching tool...and you're on the receiving of end of it.

What you learn...what you become...goes back to God.

Non-belief?...before God?

Why should spiritual life be granted to someone who did not believe?

How will you receive what you did not plan for?

Who says I asked for a spiritual life?

Why is belief a requisite? Why does god care? Why is belief the measured quantity rather than some other arbitrary metric like altruism?

How does one plan for a spiritual life, in your opinion?

God created Man.
Times 6billion+

Obviously there is something left over when you die?
Your soul?

There is no connection between these two thoughts.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Who would blame the pipe bomb created by some bored teen blowing up and killing people?
That's how your "argument" sounds.
And you confuse morals with religious laws.
Yes, relgiion does indeed adopt morals into it's religious laws, since morals make sence.
However, morals are developed OUTSIDE of religious influences, they are social in nature.

Scripture agrees moral are developed outside because we all have an inborn conscience. [Romans 2 vs14,15; 1Tim 4v2]

How one's conscience is trained could determine whether a bored teen ends up blowing up and killing people. A hardened conscience can become calloused to the point of not having feeling.

How would atheism stop a bored teen or terrorist?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There are 6 billion humans, therefore souls exist.
Right. (Sigh)

Scripture agrees.
According to Genesis [2v7] Adam, after receiving the breath of life,
became a living soul. At death Adam became a dead soul of lifeless person.
The soul that sins dies [Ezekiel 18vs4,20]

No where does it say Adam 'came to have' a soul or 'came to possess' a soul.
Adam was a soul. Acts 3v23 mentions a soul can be destroyed.
At Adam's death he was destroyed. [dust back to dust]
Except for those of Matt 12v32; Hebrews 6vs4-6,
we being imperfect, our death pays for our sins [Romans 6v7]
so we can look forward to a resurrection.
Acts 24v15; Daniel 12vs2,13.

 

[Meow Mix]

How would atheism stop a bored teen or terrorist?

The same way other bored people are stopped: they stop themselves because they realize that violence against other sentient beings is wrong. I don't see what that has at all to do with theism/atheism.

 

[Meow Mix]

Scripture agrees.
According to Genesis [2v7] Adam, after receiving the breath of life,
became a living soul. At death Adam became a dead soul of lifeless person.
The soul that sins dies [Ezekiel 18vs4,20]

No where does it say Adam 'came to have' a soul or 'came to possess' a soul.
Adam was a soul. Acts 3v23 mentions a soul can be destroyed.
At Adam's death he was destroyed. [dust back to dust]
Except for those of Matt 12v32; Hebrews 6vs4-6,
we being imperfect, our death pays for our sins [Romans 6v7]
so we can look forward to a resurrection.
Acts 24v15; Daniel 12vs2,13.

No offense, but quoting unsupported mythology does not support anything. Do you have any corroborating evidence by any chance?

 

[Vigdisdotter]

And you are assuming you are able?
And the choice belongs to you?

To how I handle things? Yes. It is. I've worked long and hard to make sure I have that choice, rather then just being a victim of circumstance.

 

[Quiddity]

The trouble with your assertions, neighbor, is that there are a significant number of devout theists who support those same theories you claim go unanswered.

And since you ahve been to colelge, you should realize that the peer review process is vital to the scientific method as it strives to remove said personal biases.

Assertions? I experienced it. Please don't be so dense as to question my experiences. I know of no theist scientist that subscribes to a naturalized epistemology. Do share if you know of one.

 

[Quiddity]

I understand where you're coming from. There are most definitely an uncomfortable number of metaphysically challenged scientists.

However, with regard to your observation that they use a scientism epistemology, I'm sure that's true for some but it certainly isn't for all. The problem with leaving room for God to make His mark in science is sort of like leaving room for invisible, incorporeal dragons to make their marks in science -- not saying that to belittle, but making the point that beings which are posited to be unempirical are a bit difficult to probe with science.

Of course, science has indeed probed some aspects of various gods that cross into the empirical such as "God created a worldwide flood mere thousands of years ago" and has falsified them.

Make room? I'm perfectly content with it leaving out God, unicorns, and goblins; I really am. I'm not a YEC or IDer.

 

[Thief]

To how I handle things? Yes. It is. I've worked long and hard to make sure I have that choice, rather then just being a victim of circumstance.

Your brave.

But They who already possess eternal life....choose who follows.
Their choice...not yours.

Victim of circumstance?.....we all are.

Perhaps you've read the parable....Sorrower of Seeds?

 

[Vigdisdotter]

But They who already possess eternal life....choose who follows.
Their choice...not yours.

Prove it, and no, the bible isn't proof. You're going to have to start with proving the existence of these "beings" THEN move onto proving they decide any such thing.

Victim of circumstance?.....we all are.

You don't speak for anyone but yourself.

Perhaps you've read the parable....Sorrower of Seeds?

I've heard all the "seeds" and they all come from humans.

 

[Thief]

Prove it, and no, the bible isn't proof. You're going to have to start with proving the existence of these "beings" THEN move onto proving they decide any such thing.

You don't speak for anyone but yourself.

I've heard all the "seeds" and they all come from humans.

Your lack of faith is showing.

 

[Penumbra]

Your lack of faith is showing.

Do you have faith in the Buddha?

 

[Thief]

Do you have faith in the Buddha?

As prophet? savior? mentor?

Fact is I follow no one. (rogue theologian)

 

[Penumbra]

As prophet? savior? mentor?

Fact is I follow no one. (rogue theologian)

As the teacher of the gods.

 

[Thief]

As the teacher of the gods.

I believe in the Almighty...as Creator.

Stands to reason....there is intelligent life.
Someone had to be first....in thought...in feeling.

He's been around for a long time.
Some say an eternity before us....and forever beyond us.