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Nonbelievers to Hell!

Penumbra

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Thief said:
Have you tried standing still...looking up....and say to yourself...
There is no God?
With all the earth and what it contains, and all the heavens above you...
And there is no God?
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I see little utility in this exercise.

And it remains....
Someone had to be first... in thought and in feeling.
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Going back to whatever the first cause of existence was, if there was one- there is no evidence to show that it was a god.
 
AxisMundi

AxisMundi

E Pluribus Unum!!!
Kriya Yogi said:
Based on that you don't have a real answer.
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I don't have to try and prove a negative.

Intelligent Desogn is an ancient Greek theosophical excersise, one not intended to prove a demiurge, BTW.

In direct retaliation for SCOTUS kicking the bible and relgiious doctrine out of public schools in 1986, far-right relgiious YECers dusted off the old concept in an attempt to get their relgiion back into public school curriculum by pretending said "Intelligent Designer" wasn't their god.

Each and every facet and argument of that pseudoscience brought forth by the YECer crowd has been compeltely and utterly dismantled by legitimate science.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
LuisDantas said:
Not so. We are predisposed to assume that things must have a creator, but that is just a mental inclination, not a fact of existence.
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But isn't it a fact that all life comes from living matter?
No life comes from non-life.
Where did life originate if not from non-life?
 
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Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
URAVIP2ME said:
But isn't it a fact that all life comes from living matter?
No life comes from non-life.
Where did life originate if not from non-life?
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Current life comes from other life... and the distinction between "living" and "non-living" matter is a pretty fuzzy line. There's not much difference between a proteinoid microsphere, which reproduces and consumes energy, from a zygote for instance -- proteinoid microspheres are not considered alive, though Sydney Fox and others have called them "protoalive" and they may very well be what life was originally like.

The reason you don't see primitive life emerging from simple self-replicating chemical systems anymore is simply because life is already around and far more advanced than naked RNA/DNA/whatever life that would emerge. If anything remotely like life starts to develop while life already exists, especially microbes, then it would have energy that those already-existing microbes would just love to eat...
 
Kriya Yogi

Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
Penumbra said:
From Sutra quotes, Buddhist websites, talking to many Buddhists, etc.
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Well I think he had to have known once he reached enlightenment that a unifying field of consciousness existed. The self in Spirit was revealed to him. I've heard from some places that he did believe in a higher power or self.
 
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Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Meow Mix said:
Current life comes from other life... and the distinction between "living" and "non-living" matter is a pretty fuzzy line. There's not much difference between a proteinoid microsphere, which reproduces and consumes energy, from a zygote for instance -- proteinoid microspheres are not considered alive, though Sydney Fox and others have called them "protoalive" and they may very well be what life was originally like.

The reason you don't see primitive life emerging from simple self-replicating chemical systems anymore is simply because life is already around and far more advanced than naked RNA/DNA/whatever life that would emerge. If anything remotely like life starts to develop while life already exists, especially microbes, then it would have energy that those already-existing microbes would just love to eat...
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You are assuming that all life is physical.
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
Thief said:
Someone had to be first....and alone.....singular.
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What is the first large number?

You are assuming that all life is physical.
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Expand on this please. I'm not sure the idea of "non-physical" life even makes sense.

Though we've built computer programs that mimic almost all aspects of life, if that's what you mean.
 
AxisMundi

AxisMundi

E Pluribus Unum!!!
URAVIP2ME said:
But isn't it a fact that all life comes from living matter?
No life comes from non-life.
Where did life originate if not from non-life?
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1. Hydrogen and Oxygen are the two most abundant gases in the unverse.
2. Amino acids, the most very basic foudnational building block of life, is counted among the most abundant, naturally-occuring compounds in the universe.

The two basic building blocks of life are among the most abundant resources in the universe, water and amino acids.

Life never "came from nothing".
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
PolyHedral said:
What is the first large number?

One
Expand on this please. I'm not sure the idea of "non-physical" life even makes sense.

Difficult to convince you of any spiritual ideas if you don't believe beyond your chemistry.

Though we've built computer programs that mimic almost all aspects of life, if that's what you mean.
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Computers won't help much about matters of faith.
 
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Benoni

Well-Known Member
Klaufi_Wodensson said:
I was talking to my very Christian Aunt, and I told her that I follow Asatru. Now she knows me very well and really feels that I am a genuinely kind and loving person. I asked her, based on her beliefs, that even though I am not a Christian, would I go to heaven when I died, if it existed. She said no, I would go to hell for eternity. Me, a kind and loving person, would go to Hell and burn for eternity, all because I didn't accept Jesus as my saviour. That's outrageous to me, and shows how intolerant the Christian god is, at least in my Aunt's interpretation. Now my Aunt is not the "religious" Christian, she says she is a "spiritual" Christian. One who feels that have a one-on-one relationship with God, and disagrees a lot with the Church. She says the only things you must do to get to Heaven is accept you are a sinner, and accept Jesus. She is very tolerant however, it seems as if her god is not. Her loving god who shows her the way, the truth, and the light, and cares so much about her and guides her. This loving god sends another loving human to eternal Hellfire for not accepting him.
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There is no such place as hell in the original language of the Bible; it was put there by Rome. Yes the wicked will be punished in the lake of fire but god's punishments are not forever and they are corrective in nature.
 
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