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Nonbelievers to Hell!

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Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
Thief said:
Numbers repeat.
Might take a while....but they will.

Only one of you.
Unless you would say you are not a 'real' object.
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Given infinite space or infinite time, even people aren't unique.

Somewhere, or somewhen, the exact circumstances that bring about a person will happen again iff there is infinite space or time.
 
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Maymoon

New Member
Klaufi_Wodensson said:
I was talking to my very Christian Aunt, and I told her that I follow Asatru. Now she knows me very well and really feels that I am a genuinely kind and loving person. I asked her, based on her beliefs, that even though I am not a Christian, would I go to heaven when I died, if it existed. She said no, I would go to hell for eternity. Me, a kind and loving person, would go to Hell and burn for eternity, all because I didn't accept Jesus as my saviour. That's outrageous to me, and shows how intolerant the Christian god is, at least in my Aunt's interpretation. Now my Aunt is not the "religious" Christian, she says she is a "spiritual" Christian. One who feels that have a one-on-one relationship with God, and disagrees a lot with the Church. She says the only things you must do to get to Heaven is accept you are a sinner, and accept Jesus. She is very tolerant however, it seems as if her god is not. Her loving god who shows her the way, the truth, and the light, and cares so much about her and guides her. This loving god sends another loving human to eternal Hellfire for not accepting him.
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My answer to you is to read about any religion on earth by yourself so you can take and do what you have learned by yourself and believed. It is incomplete when you just follow what people say and you yourself do not have any Idea about it!
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Meow Mix said:
Given infinite space or infinite time, even people aren't unique.

Somewhere, or somewhen, the exact circumstances that bring about a person will happen again iff there is infinite space or time.
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Nope....can't happen.

Even if you could find another Earth....
Your birth place....your parents...your home life...schooling....
current affairs....etc...etc..etc..

You are unique.
Denial is illogical.
Only you have lead the life you have.
 
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Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
Thief said:
Nope....can't happen.

Even if you could find another Earth....
Your birth place....your parents...your home life...schooling....
current affairs....etc...etc..etc..

You are unique.
Denial is illogical.
Only you have lead the life you have.
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There isn't a single circumstance you can mention that wouldn't happen exactly again given an infinite universe in either space or time.

In fact, there wouldn't just be one or two iterations of you (exact iterations of you). There would be an infinite number.

Seems to me you don't understand some of the more bizarre ramifications of infinity if you can deny this.
 
Midnight Pete

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
Meow Mix said:
There isn't a single circumstance you can mention that wouldn't happen exactly again given an infinite universe in either space or time.

In fact, there wouldn't just be one or two iterations of you (exact iterations of you). There would be an infinite number.

Seems to me you don't understand some of the more bizarre ramifications of infinity if you can deny this.
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So what's unique about Meow Mix, then? Anything?
 
Wotan

Wotan

Active Member
Midnight Pete said:
So what's unique about Meow Mix, then? Anything?
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GIVEN the assumption - got THAT - GIVEN infinity (increases w/o limit) nothing is unique about anything or anybody or any event.

In some other set of events Bobby Thompson will hit that homer again.

And Yogi will remind us, "it ain't over till its over."
 
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Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
Prime numbers are quite remarkable -- each one -- and there's an infinity of them...

Having an infinite number of something doesn't dull its shine.

Also I'm not arguing that this is actually the case; we don't know if space is infinite or not (there are indications that it's not -- as Einstein said, "finite but unbound") and we don't know if time will continue infinitely in a meaningful respect.

I'm only saying that it's logically true that IF either is true, then there are an infinite number of all possibly existing things; even people.

It's necessarily true, not "nihilism," as it isn't a belief: it's a consequence of the strange properties of infinities.
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
Because there is something "remarkable" about him. The universe is not infinite. However, there is no magical "uniqueness" about him that cannot be reproduced, given arbitrary time and space.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Meow Mix said:
There isn't a single circumstance you can mention that wouldn't happen exactly again given an infinite universe in either space or time.

In fact, there wouldn't just be one or two iterations of you (exact iterations of you). There would be an infinite number.

Seems to me you don't understand some of the more bizarre ramifications of infinity if you can deny this.
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Not buying it.

Your discussions are more imaginative than mine.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
AxisMundi said:
It then becomes a pseudoscience, such as we see with Intelligent Design (aka Creationism)
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I'm not so sure that ID and Creationism is the same thing.
The first would take science and credit God for doing it.

Creationism is more to belief as church dogma, the bible as is.
 
Midnight Pete

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
Thief said:
I'm not so sure that ID and Creationism is the same thing.
The first would take science and credit God for doing it.

Creationism is more to belief as church dogma, the bible as is.
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If God created the natural world, would it not make sense to credit Him with what science discovers about the natural world?
 
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