Nonbelievers to Hell!

[yourhopeboundheart]

I'm not so sure that ID and Creationism is the same thing.
The first would take science and credit God for doing it.

Creationism is more to belief as church dogma, the bible as is.

the evidence suggests that ID is an attempt at making Creationism religiously neutral as to continue teaching it in public schools. at least from what i've read.

it's certainly not a specific as a biblical account, but to make something neutral it usually helps to redefine it as something more broad.

 

[Midnight Pete]

If schools openly taught Evolution and Creation, there would be no need for all this "Intelligent Design" subterfuge. Just let each student make up his or her own mind.

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

If schools openly taught Evolution and Creation, there would be no need for all this "Intelligent Design" subterfuge. Just let each student make up his or her own mind.

if public schools taught Creation, what class would they teach it in?

 

[LuisDantas]

If schools openly taught Evolution and Creation, there would be no need for all this "Intelligent Design" subterfuge. Just let each student make up his or her own mind.

Why teach that which is known to be scientifically false as if it were science? Schools shouldn't allow that. Nor should parents, for that matter.

 

[MW0082]

If schools openly taught Evolution and Creation, there would be no need for all this "Intelligent Design" subterfuge. Just let each student make up his or her own mind.

Yes right after science class we will tell them dinasours do not exist and the earth is 6400 years old..........

Now why would we want to inhibit their young minds with such hogwash...?

 

[AxisMundi]

I agree, ID is a pseudoscience. Phrenology has more merit as a science.

Phren-who?

 

[Duck]

If schools openly taught Evolution and Creation, there would be no need for all this "Intelligent Design" subterfuge. Just let each student make up his or her own mind.

and which version of creation would they teach?

The biblical myth of 7 days, or the Norse (you know the right one) mythological creation, in which a cow licked a giant from the ice, whose thighs spawned a race of people who eventually killed the giant and made the universe from the giant's dead body (to sum up)? Or perhaps the creation myth in which all of the universe is a dream? Or that perhaps involved a Coyote and a Raven?

 

[waitasec]

If schools openly taught Evolution and Creation, there would be no need for all this "Intelligent Design" subterfuge. Just let each student make up his or her own mind.

:biglaugh:

typical

 

[AxisMundi]

If schools openly taught Evolution and Creation, there would be no need for all this "Intelligent Design" subterfuge. Just let each student make up his or her own mind.

Public schools are funded by the entire community, regardless of what political and/or religious affiliation, if any, the individual tax payer might have.

Public schools are operated for the children and young adults of the entire community, regardless of what political and/or religious affiliation, if any, the individual child/young adult, or their parent's. may or may not have.

Public schools are operated by our government and funded by the entire community, FOr the entire community.

Religious institutions are funded by, and operated by, and operated FOR, the adherents of said religion.

There is no rational possible to force MY child to be indoctrinated into YOUR religion and religious doctrines/dogma on MY dime.

BTW, ignoring the Constitution for the moment, which of the thousands of Creation myths were you suggesting our schools teach, and when were they supposed to learn the Three R's???

Quite simply, science belongs in public schools and religion belongs in religious institutions.

 

[Thief]

Severe digression has set in.
Anyone still interested in going to heaven?

 

[Midnight Pete]

Why teach that which is known to be scientifically false as if it were science? Schools shouldn't allow that. Nor should parents, for that matter.

It's not science. It's scripture.

 

[AxisMundi]

It's not science. It's scripture.

Exactly. Education on scripture belongs at home, in parochial schools, and in churches.

 

[LuisDantas]

Well said.

 

[LuisDantas]

Severe digression has set in.
Anyone still interested in going to heaven?

From my part, not really. If belief is a prerequisite to Heaven, or even to avoid Hell, then so be it.

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

Severe digression has set in.
Anyone still interested in going to heaven?

not really, to be honest.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Exactly. Education on scripture belongs at home, in parochial schools, and in churches.

You're probably right.

 

[AxisMundi]

Well said.

Thank you.

You're probably right.

And thank you.

Food for thought.

Would religion remain pure with government mandating religious instruction?

And which of the thousand plus denominations in North America should the g'ment instruct in?

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

Food for thought.

Would religion remain pure with government mandating religious instruction?

what too many people forget is that the separation of church and state was not only in order to protect the state from the church, but also to protect the church from the state.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Would religion remain pure with government mandating religious instruction?

You might find 2nd Chronicles 26vs16-21 of interest because under the Constitution of the Mosaic law the king [political] was not to interfere with the priests [religious] duties.

 

[AxisMundi]

what too many people forget is that the separation of church and state was not only in order to protect the state from the church, but also to protect the church from the state.

Absolutely agreed.

But these peopole somehow think that their relgiion willr emain pure, as long as it's in power, and that their theocracy would somehow be better than any others, again because it's their religion.