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Nonpartisan CBO on the Consequences of Repealing Obamacare

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said on Tuesday that repealing major provisions of the Affordable Care Act, while leaving other parts in place, would cost 18 million people their insurance in the first year and could increase the number of uninsured Americans by 32 million in 10 years, while causing individual insurance premiums to double over that time.

The budget office analyzed the probable effects of a Republican repeal bill like the one approved in Congress but vetoed early last year by President Obama.

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Comments? Rants? Red herrings?
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The ACA will not be totally repealed. It will be replaced with another plan and/or revised.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Obamacare blew up the old system.

People survived.

Trump will blow up Obamacare.

People will survive.

Next countdown to detonation commences....
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Obamacare blew up the old system.

People survived.

Trump will blow up Obamacare.

People will survive.

Next countdown to detonation commences....
Well, I would argue he allowed those in genuine need who already did not have insurance a way to gain it. I am afraid if it is taken away without a suitable substitute, you will then be taking away insurance from those in genuine need. They both shake up the system, but in different ways and with potentially different results.
 

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
I don't think the incoming administration and Congress are going to hang millions of people out to dry. Something will be in place so that current coverage will continue, and no one will be denied because of a pre-existing condition. It would be political suicide to screw over millions of people and have them start dropping like flies. Instead of speculation and having knee jerk reactions, let's just wait and see. If Trump and Congress turn out to be the antichrist, I'll lead the revolutionary charge to D.C.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
I don't think the incoming administration and Congress are going to hang millions of people out to dry. Something will be in place so that current coverage will continue, and no one will be denied because of a pre-existing condition. It would be political suicide to screw over millions of people and have them start dropping like flies. Instead of speculation and having knee jerk reactions, let's just wait and see. If Trump and Congress turn out to be the antichrist, I'll lead the revolutionary charge to D.C.

Here's my issue with the current process.

There's no transparency. This is forcing myself and others on the mere premise of hope.

There should be more transparency here for criticism and acceptance of any new plans.

You're optimistic which in fairness, we should all be, but seriously... Leaders have to be transparent in their leadership to build confidence. I'm not arguing that Trump's team cannot make a better plan, either. They mostly likely can, but this is not a proper process of repeal then update without knowing what to change with.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I don't think the incoming administration and Congress are going to hang millions of people out to dry. Something will be in place so that current coverage will continue, and no one will be denied because of a pre-existing condition.
I don't think so either, but it is concerning that in all of this time we haven't heard of an alternative. I know they are working on it, I just hope they don't get impatient and make it worse.
 

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
I don't think so either, but it is concerning that in all of this time we haven't heard of an alternative. I know they are working on it, I just hope they don't get impatient and make it worse.

If they had to constantly stop working in order to appeal to the masses every time someone got a shiver up their spine, nothing would get done. I would rather them focus on it 100% instead of constantly being distracted because they have to give a soundbite. I can't stand it when I am trying to accomplish something and someone else constantly interrupts me.

Edit: just realized that all three sentences used the word 'constantly'. I need to break out my list of synonyms.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
If they had to constantly stop working in order to appeal to the masses every time someone got a shiver up their spine, nothing would get done. I would rather them focus on it 100% instead of constantly being distracted because they have to give a soundbite. I can't stand it when I am trying to accomplish something and someone else constantly interrupts me.
They've had 6 years to come up with something. They're just decided to start working on it now?
 

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
They've had 6 years to come up with something. They're just decided to start working on it now?

Here's the deal with politics, and this is what it really boils down to: which side can claim victory.

The democrats claimed victory with Obamacare. They viewed it as the pinnacle of his administration and thumped their chests. On the other hand, the republicans hated it simply because the democrats came up with it, and a democrat president signed off on it.

The republicans are now wanting to scrap it in order to destroy the Obama legacy (if there is one), and come up with something of their own so that they can celebrate with chest thumps. That is politics 101. If they get a win, they can use it during re-election campaigns.

Edit: it is my hope (and pipe dream) that the rest of the country will wake up and vote Libertarian one day (with the right candidate), which will shut the dems/pubs up for good. Screw the left and the right.
 
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Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
If they had to constantly stop working in order to appeal to the masses every time someone got a shiver up their spine, nothing would get done. I would rather them focus on it 100% instead of constantly being distracted because they have to give a soundbite. I can't stand it when I am trying to accomplish something and someone else constantly interrupts me.

Edit: just realized that all three sentences used the word 'constantly'. I need to break out my list of synonyms.
I suppose I was expecting more since the republican base has been spending the better part of six years saying how bad/evil/corrupt it is and yet have nothing in the way of an alternative to show, yet.

Edit: no need to directly reply if you don't want to, your previous post addresses this comment.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I suppose I was expecting more since the republican base has been spending the better part of six years saying how bad/evil/corrupt it is and yet have nothing in the way of an alternative to show, yet.

Edit: no need to directly reply if you don't want to, your previous post addresses this comment.
And trying to repeal Obamacare. I guess it never occurred to them before that they'd have to replace it with something?
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
And trying to repeal Obamacare. I guess it never occurred to them before that they'd have to replace it with something?
Honestly, I don't think they thought they would have an opportunity to do so as soon as they do now. They didn't expect to win the election and they certainly couldn't make a move while Obama was in office. So, I may have countered my own statement, but it is like the dog who finally catches the car. What does it do now?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Honestly, I don't think they thought they would have an opportunity to do so as soon as they do now. They didn't expect to win the election and they certainly couldn't make a move while Obama was in office. So, I may have countered my own statement, but it is like the dog who finally catches the car. What does it do now?
That does seem to be the case. Otherwise they'd have a comprehensive plan by now. Or not.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
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Comments? Rants? Red herrings?
No, the CBO is not prone to rants and red herrings as they have a good record of being non-partisan and both parties have used their various analyses. Another by another non-partisan watch-dog group's analysis was released a short time ago and pretty much came to the same conclusion.
 
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