Nothing lasts forever in this life

[Sheldon]

people who were declared brain dead still had consciousness.

As dubious as I am, it would explain many of the posts on here of course.

 

[Sheldon]

The soul is the human spirit.
Animals do not have a soul, they have an animal spirit.
Animals have an animal spirit that animates their brain and body, just as just as humans have a soul that animates their brain and body.
I believe the soul and the animal spirit comes from God.

I believe that the animal spirit continues after death, so I disagree with Abdu'l-Baha, who said it is extinguished at death.

Humans are animals, this is demonstrably true. We are also a relatively new species, and our taxonomy is that we are part of the family of great apes.

 

[Sheldon]

It is only a start, as we cannot understand how time exists in the spiritual world or what a spiritual body will be like. Moreover, we do not know what we will be doing or how we will do it, what we will see or how we will see it, or who we will see and how we will communicate with them.

They are different in that there are no scriptures associated with them or written by them.

Or unless you believe there is life after death according to non-scriptural accounts.

Private Dowding
The Afterlife Revealed

Please cite the most compelling piece of objective evidence from those links for an afterlife?

I'd bet a months salary it will involve appeal to mystery and unevidenced assumption, as all such claims do.

 

[PearlSeeker]

That analogy disproves a soul independent of the body.
Or have you managed to run software without any hardware.

But software can be transfered from one hardware to another.

 

[PearlSeeker]

I can also tell you something about that.
and sometimes we not only contact them, they contact us.

What would you like to know?

I thought you can confirm, based on your personal experience, that the spirit carries on after death.

 

[KWED]

So what .. it can be stored in the "cloud" ..

You do realise that "the cloud" is just a term for massive room full of servers. It is most definitely "physical".

Almighty God created us as we are. You know this present existence, but you don't think there could be another?

More unsupported assertions.
The point here is that your "software analogy" fails because software requires a physical event in order to run of be stored.

 

[KWED]

But software can be transfered from one hardware to another.

1. Only by physical means. The software cannot exist without a physical medium.
2. So we have a different physical body (or at least a brain) in heaven that our soul is downloaded into by one of the brains?

 

[KWED]

Yes .. all souls [all creatures] belong to God and continue after physical death.
The exact "mechanism" is not know, but God is able to create us of physical form and that which we know not.

So basically there are animals in heaven.

The "creation" is this physical universe.
The spiritual is unseen, and God knows best what "created" means in this context.

That doesn't answer my question.
You said that god does not create our souls. So where did they come from?

Yes, God is immortal, and we belong to Him.

But if god didn't create our soul, and it is immortal and has existed as long as god has - what do we "belong to him"? Why aren't we just our own and belong to ourselves? What has god got to do with us?

 

[muhammad_isa]

The point here is that your "software analogy" fails because software requires a physical event in order to run of be stored.

Not necessarily..
It needs some sort of hardware, yes..
Go back 50 years ago, and we wouldn't have imagined today's tablets [computers].

You speak as "what you see" is all that is possible.
..so may people lack imagination. I can only assume that it is part
of their attitude towards believers.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why aren't we just our own and belong to ourselves?

Ha, ha, ha
You simply don't. God or no God.

 

[KWED]

I thought you can confirm, based on your personal experience, that the spirit carries on after death.

No one has ever been able to confirm that, despite millennia of trying.
All that people can do is relate anecdotes that cannot be verified.

 

[KWED]

Not necessarily..
It needs some sort of hardware, yes..

So your analogy fails. If consciousness is like software, it needs the brain to run.

Go back 50 years ago, and we wouldn't have imagined today's tablets [computers].

Go back 500,000 years and our brains were less evolved.
Was there a point?

You speak as "what you see" is all that is possible.

Nonsense.
I merely say that if claim something definitely exists, I would like to see some evidence for it.

..so may people lack imagination. I can only assume that it is part
of their attitude towards believers.

Ironically, it is those who follow religious dogma that lack imagination. They cannot think beyond dogma.
"God is the only possible explanation" is the definition of close-mindedness.[/quote]

 

[KWED]

Ha, ha, ha
You simply don't. God or no God.

I certainly don't belong to anyone else. You should try it. You might find it liberating. Really doesn't understand why you want to be someone's slave.

 

[KWED]

As dubious as I am, it would explain many of the posts on here of course.

Boom!

 

[KWED]

Please cite the most compelling piece of objective evidence from those links for an afterlife?

I'd bet a months salary it will involve appeal to mystery and unevidenced assumption, as all such claims do.

The funniest/saddest thing is that @Trailblazer claimed that they showed that people believe in an afterlife without the need for scripture - but the first one was written by a famous Bahai, referencing Bahai scripture!

 

[muhammad_isa]

I certainly don't belong to anyone else..

No man is an island.
We all "work, rest and play".

We simply aren't independent in reality.

 

[KWED]

No man is an island.
We all "work, rest and play".

We simply aren't independent in reality.

I fully appreciate that I rely on others and others rely on me - but I don't belong to them nor do they belong to me.
Why do you want to be someone's slave?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I thought you can confirm, based on your personal experience, that the spirit carries on after death.

Yes, I can confirm that human spirits continue to exist after death, and I don't just say that without offering tangible proof to back it up. I use high-tech ghost-hunting tools, as I've mentioned in other posts, to investigate haunted locations in order to provide verifiable proof of what I, as a psychic medium and sensitive, can see, hear, and feel on a daily basis. The reason I discuss my connection and interaction with the spirit world and publish threads about my paranormal investigations on this site is to allow others to share in the experiences that I have as a medium and a sensitive. It's that simple. I don't attempt to convince skeptics and convert them to my point of view by discussing my abilities or my encounters with the paranormal. I've learned that it's a waste of my time to argue and dispute with ardent skeptics online because I know that they won't be persuaded until they have a first-hand experience with the paranormal themselves and they are unable to logically debunk the experience. As far as I'm concerned, people are free to believe or disbelieve what I have to say regarding my personal experiences as a psychic medium and a sensitive. Any skepticism about believing in the paranormal or any religious objections to my psychic abilities won't alter the fact that I've lived with them my entire life and I won't hide them again out of concern for what other people will think. I've learned to accept my abilities and now I embrace them.

Obviously that's true, but you will never get the atheists to see why that is logical.

I am a firm believer in "seeing is believing," meaning that before a skeptic will believe that the paranormal is real, they must first observe and experience something paranormal for themselves and be unable to rationally refute what they see and experience. I've been speaking with the dead and investigating the paranormal for the past 15 years, and I've witnessed this happen repeatedly with skeptics who either participate in my paranormal investigations or who have witnessed me speak with a spirit and reveal personal information that was only known to this person and the spirit. As I previously stated, I don't debate or argue with skeptics (sincere or steadfast) about the existence of spirits or other paranormal phenomena, either in person or online, because I know that they won't be persuaded to change their minds unless they have first-hand experience of something paranormal and can't rationally refute it.

 

[KWED]

Yes, I can confirm that human spirits continue to exist after death, and I don't just say that without offering tangible proof to back it up. I use high-tech ghost-hunting tools, as I've mentioned in other posts, to investigate haunted locations in order to provide verifiable proof of what I, as a psychic medium and sensitive, can see, hear, and feel on a daily basis. The reason I discuss my connection and interaction with the spirit world and publish threads about my paranormal investigations on this site is to allow others to share in the experiences that I have as a medium and a sensitive. It's that simple. I don't attempt to convince skeptics and convert them to my point of view by discussing my abilities or my encounters with the paranormal. I've learned that it's a waste of my time to argue and dispute with ardent skeptics online because I know that they won't be persuaded until they have a first-hand experience with the paranormal themselves and they are unable to logically debunk the experience. As far as I'm concerned, people are free to believe or disbelieve what I have to say regarding my personal experiences as a psychic medium and a sensitive. Any skepticism about believing in the paranormal or any religious objections to my psychic abilities won't alter the fact that I've lived with them my entire life and I won't hide them again out of concern for what other people will think. I've learned to accept my abilities and now I embrace them.



I am a firm believer in "seeing is believing," meaning that before a skeptic will believe that the paranormal is real, they must first observe and experience something paranormal for themselves and be unable to rationally refute what they see and experience. I've been speaking with the dead and investigating the paranormal for the past 15 years, and I've witnessed this happen repeatedly with skeptics who either participate in my paranormal investigations or who have witnessed me speak with a spirit and reveal personal information that was only known to this person and the spirit. As I previously stated, I don't debate or argue with skeptics (sincere or steadfast) about the existence of spirits or other paranormal phenomena, either in person or online, because I know that they won't be persuaded to change their minds unless they have first-hand experience of something paranormal and can't rationally refute it.

Have your discoveries and abilities been independently tested and verified?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why do you want to be someone's slave?

I don't.
Almighty God is not "someone".