Nothing lasts forever in this life

[Trailblazer]

2. So we have a different physical body (or at least a brain) in heaven that our soul is downloaded into by one of the brains?

No, in heaven we will have a spiritual body that our soul will be downloaded onto.

 

[Trailblazer]

No one has ever been able to confirm that, despite millennia of trying.
All that people can do is relate anecdotes that cannot be verified.

No, no one has ever been able to confirm that...
Confirmation comes only when one dies and realizes they are not dead.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I have presented the evidence I have, I cannot help it if you don't like that evidence.

You should know by now that I am not going present any objective evidence.

I am not going to appeal to any mysteries when talking to you because I know better....
You are going to lose your month's salary so I hope you don't need it to live on.

You have provided the perfect example of why I don't bother debating and arguing with atheistic skeptics about my Wiccan spiritual beliefs, my gifts as a medium and sensitive, or the reasons why I believe in the afterlife and paranormal phenomena. I don't bother for the straightforward reason that I don't think it's worth my time because these skeptics will continue to doubt what we say and they will demand more evidence regardless of how much strong evidence we present. I'm adamant in my opinion that the only way they'll believe us is if they have their own first-hand encounter with a spirit or spirits—or anything else paranormal—and are unable to rationally refute it. Like I said, I've seen this happen repeatedly with skeptics over the last 15 years, either while I'm investigating a haunted location or while I'm in the midst of communicating with a spirit and I reveal private information that was only known to this person and the spirit. I don't believe that skeptics will be satisfied with our evidence as long as they haven't experienced it firsthand.

 

[Trailblazer]

The funniest/saddest thing is that @Trailblazer claimed that they showed that people believe in an afterlife without the need for scripture - but the first one was written by a famous Bahai, referencing Bahai scripture!

1. He was not a famous Baha'i.
2. He did not reference Baha'i scripture.

I suggest you read the book if you want to know what is in it. It's a fun read.

Private Dowding by Wellesley Tudor Pole

 

[Trailblazer]

I know that they won't be persuaded until they have a first-hand experience with the paranormal themselves and they are unable to logically debunk the experience.

I have no doubt that there is a spiritual world that lies beyond this world, even though I never had any first-hand experience until recently. I now have some first-hand experience but I am not going to share it on the forum because it involves a very personal matter I have not divulged on the forum. Only my bff @Truthseeker knows about it.

 

[muhammad_isa]

or it can run with no hardware.

I have never seen a program running without hardware.
..but then "hardware" is a physical concept .. there could be something similar that we are not yet aware of.

 

[muhammad_isa]

"The cloud" is physical but God's cloud is not physical.

Which one's that .. cloud 9?

 

[muhammad_isa]

I now have some first-hand experience but I am not going to share it on the forum..

Many people have died [ stopped heart & breathing ], and have had strange experiences.

My father was an atheist.
He died for a few minutes, and when he was resucitated, he said that a person all dressed in white was saying "Come on, come here", but he said no, no, I'm not ready yet .. and then woke up.

 

[Trailblazer]

I have never seen a program running without hardware.
..but then "hardware" is a physical concept .. there could be something similar that we are not yet aware of.

That's what I meant.... there could be something similar that we are not yet aware of.

 

[Trailblazer]

Which one's that .. cloud 9?

Yep. Anywhere God is is Cloud 9.

 

[Trailblazer]

Many people have died [ stopped heart & breathing ], and have had strange experiences.

My father was an atheist.
He died for a few minutes, and when he was resucitated, he said that a person all dressed in white was saying "Come on, come here", but he said no, no, I'm not ready yet .. and then woke up.

That is an all-to-common experience....
Coincidence?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I have no doubt that there is a spiritual world that lies beyond this world, even though I never had any first-hand experience until recently. I now have some first-hand experience but I am not going to share it on the forum because it involves a very personal matter I have not divulged on the forum. Only my bff @Truthseeker knows about it.

My husband has a similar story to yours about believing in the afterlife, but never having an experience until recently. He is a devoted Christian who believes in the afterlife, he didn't have a personal encounter with the paranormal until years after I told him about my connection to the spirit world and my ability to interact and communicate with spirits. After I told him, he was still somewhat skeptical because he had been taught as a child to not believe in ghosts and other paranormal phenomenon. I was aware that what I told him went against what he was taught to believe as a Christian, but he accepted the fact that I was telling him the truth about my abilities.

He has always believed me whenever I've told him about my experiences communicating with spirits and my experiences while I'm investigating haunted locations, but he never had a personal experience of his own with the paranormal until he accompanied me on one of my investigations at the Crescent Hotel and Spa in Eureka Springs, Arkansas in early July 2021. I encouraged him to be actively involved in my investigation and he most certainly was. I was proud of how he set aside his doubts to help me investigate the hotel.

He heard a lot of EVPs (Electronic Voice Phenomenon) firsthand while I conducted burst EVP sessions throughout the hotel and on the grounds. He saw the images with his own eyes that appeared live on my SLS (Structured Light Sensor) camera, and he saw the images live that appeared on my thermal imaging camera. He saw poltergeist activity with his own eyes, and neither he nor the other guests could debunk it. He was given access to some of the other visitors' thermal photos and photographs of multiple spirits that they had taken while investigating the hotel at the same time we were. He obviously no longer doubts the existence of earthbound spirits, but he assured me that he wouldn't be upset if he never had another close encounter with the paranormal. He hasn't had one since.

 

[Trailblazer]

My husband has a similar story to yours about believing in the afterlife, but never having an experience until recently. He is a devoted Christian who believes in the afterlife, he didn't have a personal encounter with the paranormal until years after I told him about my connection to the spirit world and my ability to interact and communicate with spirits. After I told him, he was still somewhat skeptical because he had been taught as a child to not believe in ghosts and other paranormal phenomenon. I was aware that what I told him went against what he was taught to believe as a Christian, but he accepted the fact that I was telling him the truth about my abilities.

He has always believed me whenever I've told him about my experiences communicating with spirits and my experiences while I'm investigating haunted locations, but he never had a personal experience of his own with the paranormal until he accompanied me on one of my investigations at the Crescent Hotel and Spa in Eureka Springs, Arkansas in early July 2021. I encouraged him to be actively involved in my investigation and he most certainly was. I was proud of how he set aside his doubts to help me investigate the hotel.

He heard a lot of EVPs (Electronic Voice Phenomenon) firsthand while I conducted burst EVP sessions throughout the hotel and on the grounds. He saw the images with his own eyes that appeared live on my SLS (Structured Light Sensor) camera, and he saw the images live that appeared on my thermal imaging camera. He saw poltergeist activity with his own eyes, and neither he nor the other guests could debunk it. He was given access to some of the other visitors' thermal photos and photographs of multiple spirits that they had taken while investigating the hotel at the same time we were. He obviously no longer doubts the existence of earthbound spirits, but he assured me that he wouldn't be upset if he never had another close encounter with the paranormal. He hasn't had one since.

That is very interesting. I did not know your husband is a Christian.
I might have some questions for you later in a Conversation.

Meanwhile, what are the threads you have started in this forum that address spirit communications?
Also, in your opinion, are the earthbound spirits stuck in this realm of existence, and is that why they do not move on to higher spiritual realms? Do you think they have unfinished business?

 

[Truthseeker]

You struggle to realise that you cannot claim someone is a messenger of god it you cannot show that god exists.
I understand that concept perfectly well.

Well, we must part our ways, then. To me, if someone demonstrates things extraordinary while claiming to the be Messenger of God, that proves the existence of God.

 

[KWED]

I don't.
Almighty God is not "someone".

Ok.
Why do you want to be something's slave?

BTW, do you have a similar problem when the Quran keeps referring to Allah in "human" terms?
You don't? Why not?

 

[KWED]

Nobody can prove that God exists.

Therefore, logic dictates that you can't prove anyone was his messenger.
And as you have previously said that evidence for god is his messenger, then your whole house of cards collapses.

God could prove He exists if He chose to do so but obviously God has not chosen to prove He exists because if He did, everyone would believe that God exists.

And god wouldn't want that because the only reason he created humans was so we could worship him.
Oh...

All we have is evidence because that is all that God provides. Evidence is not proof.

There is no evidence, merely claims.

The Messengers of God are the only real evidence that God exists so we have to look at the Messengers in order to know that God exists.

*sigh*
Until you have established that a god actually exists, you can't claim that anyone was his messenger.

 

[KWED]

The soul animates the brain and makes electro-chemical activity in the brain possible. When the brain dies the soul continues to exist and associated itself with a spiritual body in the spiritual world.

This is just gibberish.
The the electro-chemical activity in the brain is observed in all species - including the ones you claim don't have a soul. Therefore, by your own argument, it cannot be caused by the soul.
And if our consciousness/personality/sense of self dies with the body, what goes to the afterlife? What even is "the soul" under your system?

Nope. See above.

So what is the soul, and where does it come from?
And what connection does it have to "us"?

(Note: this is where you make up some more nonsense, probably contradicting what you have already said)

 

[Spirit of Light]

This is just gibberish.
The the electro-chemical activity in the brain is observed in all species - including the ones you claim don't have a soul. Therefore, by your own argument, it cannot be caused by the soul.
And if our consciousness/personality/sense of self dies with the body, what goes to the afterlife? What even is "the soul" under your system?

So what is the soul, and where does it come from?
And what connection does it have to "us"?

(Note: this is where you make up some more nonsense, probably contradicting what you have already said)

Why do you keep the mocking of certain believers up each day? Is it difficult for you to grasp that people have different belief an understanding of how life and existence happens?
You are you self the one who going in circle trying to fault everyone who do not agee with you. That is not working anymore, because mostly everyone who discuss or debate you have realized your game

If you are not right about something, nobody else is, right?

 

[Trailblazer]

Therefore, logic dictates that you can't prove anyone was his messenger.

I never said I could prove it.

And as you have previously said that evidence for god is his messenger, then your whole house of cards collapses.

The evidence for God is his Messengers, and I do not need proof because the evidence is as good as proof. Thus my house stands up.

And god wouldn't want that because the only reason he created humans was so we could worship him.
Oh...

No, God created humans out of His Love for us. God does not need our worship since God has no needs.

3: O SON OF MAN! Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.
The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 4

There is no evidence, merely claims.

There are claims and there is evidence that supports the claims, as I have explained over and over and over and over again. The claims and the evidence are separate.

The claims of Baha’u’llah and the evidence that supports the claims of Baha’u’llah are in this post:
Questions for knowledgeable Bahai / followers of Baha'u'llah

*sigh*
Until you have established that a god actually exists, you can't claim that anyone was his messenger.

*sigh*
Until you recognize the Messenger of God, you will never know that God exists.
I do not claim it, I believe it. I do not claim what I cannot prove (to anyone except myself).

 

[Trailblazer]

This is just gibberish.
The the electro-chemical activity in the brain is observed in all species - including the ones you claim don't have a soul. Therefore, by your own argument, it cannot be caused by the soul.
And if our consciousness/personality/sense of self dies with the body, what goes to the afterlife?

I said that the soul animates the brain and body of humans and the animal spirit animates the brain and body of animals.

I said that our consciousness/personality/sense of self does not die with the body, it continues to exist in the afterlife, where it takes on a new form, a spiritual body.

So what is the soul, and where does it come from?
And what connection does it have to "us"?

The soul is a sign of God, so it comes from God. The soul is who we are, the sum total of our personality, the body is just a vehicle that carries the soul around while we are living in a body on earth. The physical body is comprised of matter but it has no real identity. When we die, that matter goes back into the earth and the soul leaves the body and passes to the spiritual world where it takes on a new form.

“The answer to the third question is this, that in the other world the human reality doth not assume a physical form, rather doth it take on a heavenly form, made up of elements of that heavenly realm.”
Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 194

“The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 157